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frankydee
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 Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Innovative VW 4x4 Bug build, without syncro parts! |
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Very cool article, thanks for posting,,,,
Now can someone answer my posted question about EPS? LOL |
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frankydee
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Innovative VW 4x4 Bug build, without syncro parts! |
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I'm also looking to start making my 4x4 4x4. I already have some solutions: I modified the front axle ends to use the beetle's front suspension frame, I used the goal axle ends, with space to enter the CVs. I am going to use the inverted kombi box at the front (which I already have), the job of mending the pilot axis of the two boxes is already defined and it is simple. I already defined the rear suspension with opening in the rear spring to pass the cardan, and spiral springs to suspend the assembly.
as for traction disengagement, i made a decision: i will use all-wheel drive all the time, without coupling and disengagement parts, which can end up causing breakages or end up being a set fuse. As the box will have a front differential, it won't cause any problems to always use the 4x4 all the time. In fact, the only advantage of disengaging traction is that the system does not rotate and wear out when it is not needed, which taking into account the number of kilometers I walk down the road is negligible.
another thing, a friend told me that it’s good to disengage the traction to be able to make zeros in the clay. well who wants to be doing this to get a vehicle for this, I want to do trails and not show off to others |
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kangaboy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Innovative VW 4x4 Bug build, without syncro parts! |
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I don't know what currency they are using in their replies, but from what I put in google currency translator, it looks like the set in the bottom picture above is $1200. If you knew what you wanted to do with it, that seems like a fair price to get a project 4x4 going. Please correct me if I'm wrong on the price.
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frankydee
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Innovative VW 4x4 Bug build, without syncro parts! |
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front-wheel drive coupling.
After many days hitting his head on how to engage the front traction. without magical inventions we arrived (I believe) in a practical and inexpensive solution, after all the $ are few.
We cut an opal cardan shaft and leave it 30 cm long by placing an inner bearing so that one end can rotate and the other is stationary, a splined gear was welded on the side with the crosshead and the end of the cardan is on the side a gear that was turned leaving only the part of the splines and placed a sleeve to make the coupling of the two parts with a fork that will push the sleeve to activate and release the traction, inside the tunnel will be welded two supports for the fork axis work and as everything will be inside the tunnel that will be closed, we will make a small box of fiber to leave bathed in oil.
Please if anyone has any ideas or tips that can improve the coupling transfer.
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wbbbbbbb
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:27 am Post subject: Re: Innovative VW 4x4 Bug build, without syncro parts! |
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Look up Wbleys4x4
Pictures from their Facebook page.
New and improved?
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vwjetboat
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Innovative VW 4x4 Bug build, without syncro parts! |
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pretty damn slick.. like someone said.. its a hack but close to what WWII 4X4 vws did..
and its simple.. |
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Gubdonem
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Innovative VW 4x4 Bug build, without syncro parts! |
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The front A arms are from a vw gol, also the disk brakes front and back and the front struts.
The A arms were widened a bit more so they can fit inside the body. Thats what I´ve been understanding lol |
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So what makes you experts think that's a Super?
And since when is it a bad idea for backyard engineers to express a whole lot of ingenuity on such a common car? Before you answer that, remember what forum you're on. Seriously, the second most abundant thing in Brazil beyond big round asses are VW Beetles.
Look at that front gear carrier. I've never seen anyone here even ATTEMPT that. And they have few tools. For those of you clowning this thing, show some respect. It's impressive on several levels. |
Well it isn't really a super, at least it didn't leave the factory as one, look at that rather narrow boot lid. That said, in a sense they have turned it into a super, since it now has front struts. This thing is really cool, would be even better if it were a true super, but you can't have everything.
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Back in the '80s, there was a Brazilian firm that was building 4x4 VW vans for, among other customers, the Brazilian military.
The trailing arms shown in one of the pics ("post 55") are Type 2 IRS Bus. One of the early pics shows a rolling 4x4 chassis...with swingaxle rear. And that Bug with the body on it is DEFINITELY NOT a Super Beetle. Although a Super Beetle could be used just as readily as a regular Bug. Just enough of the original chassis is removed that whether the Bug starts as a regular or Super doesn't matter.
I would like to see the inner pivot of the lower front a-arms moved inward to even with the inner CVs. And upper a-arms fabricated with uniballs on the top of the spindle where the strut starts and inner pivots near the top of the front diff.
I have to agree that rack and pinion steering setup looks pretty sketchy even if it is stock Vanagon Syncro.
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Those videos are great. I would really like to see some more 4x4 builds where people are tapping the nose cone like the original Kubel designs.
Side note, anyone think it could be done in a 091?
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I'm not sure why the hate, but I think it's a pretty cleaver build. I also got a pretty good kick out of the first video where he pulled a stuck jeep out of the mud with the 4x4 bug..
I will say the steering set up looks sketchy as hell but I guess do what yea gotta do to make it go..
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Post 55 has a picture that shows a separate spring and shock setup.
The text with it says something about rear of van suspension, but it doesn't look like a VW bus rear suspension to me. Maybe someone with more bus knowledge will chime in..
But wait, here's a side picture of a T25 rear suspension. Picture a disk instead of drum brake, and I think it is right after all.
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I'm kinda curious to know what supports the rear of the car now. He cut the torsion splines completely out of the rear housing.
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I have to say this thing is pretty cool. Tons of respect here. I think it would be the bomb to have a Baja that the front wheels worked too. I can't even count of how many times I would of loved to have some action on the front end to get me out of a situation. I would suggest some kind of locker on the drive shaft so you are not alway in 4wd. Very cool though.
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| Well, looks like I was a little wrong about there being no Syncro parts in the build. That rather distinctive looking front strut seems to have come from a Quantum Syncro. |
Look at it this way: a Quantum would have that same front suspension, Syncro or not. I'd be surprised if Quantum Syncros made it down to Brazil, given the climate (I'm saying this without any research, so take it with a grain of salt).
So, you could assume it's from a regular FWD Quantum, and stick to your original statement.
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Well, looks like I was a little wrong about there being no Syncro parts in the build. That rather distinctive looking front strut seems to have come from a Quantum Syncro.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jim...GvIIDI0eBM
The little bit of the front subframe visible in the picture looks a lot like the one they used as well. So, there is a little Syncro in there after all. I still think this is a very creative build!
Also worth mentioning, the biggest problem with the build according to the article was getting the front suspension set up correctly. They even said the front diff carrier was 'easy', given access to the right tools. |
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Struts = super afaic
I'm done here.
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