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levi20AE
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 Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: High-Lift, Highlift, High Lift, Hy Lift, Jack |
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I had a similar idea to the ring once before while getting out of a dumb situation. I was planning to build a set of rock rails with adapters to distribute the load of the jack between both existing jack points and probably two additional braces back to the center frame rails. The really big benefit of the GoWesty style adaptor is that it helps prevent the bus from tilting away from the jack point and punching a hole through your body work with the top of the jack. That leverage adds up fast.
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benandmj
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: High-Lift, Highlift, High Lift, Hy Lift, Jack |
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I like the look of those brackets, thanks. That damn Hi Lift weighs more than everything else combined. I'm tempted to stick a bottle jack under the bench.
Enjoyed your build thread!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:17 am Post subject: Re: High-Lift, Highlift, High Lift, Hy Lift, Jack |
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The original VW jack is hinged so that it doesn't bind in the jacking point and rip it right out of the body. If you want to make an adapter to use a hi-lift on a bus it should also incorporate a hinge.
When I used to do a lot of 4 wheeling, I had pipe bumpers and would insert the tongue of the hi-lift into the ends of the bumpers instead of just setting the tongue under the bumper like most everyone else did. This greatly reduced the chance that the hi-lift would kick out and maiming someone in the process.
How is this for an idea? Find a piece of tubing that fits the jack point well and cut it three or four inches longer than the depth of the jack point. Now take a 2" ID lifting ring and weld it beneath one end of the tubing in such a way that the tongue of the hi-lift can stick into into the ring. Now you can lift by the jack point with the jack further from the body and have it so the jack can not kick out very easily. The adapter will also function as a hinge.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: High-Lift, Highlift, High Lift, Hy Lift, Jack |
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| Colin prefers a bottle jack. The fact that MADMAX who has seen more extreme situations in more Continents then ANY of us can ever imagine and does not think these are a good idea.....well that's all that I had to read. If your original jacking points are in good shape I don't think you can beat the scissor jack sold by the BD. Much safer then the cheesy one supplied by VW. |
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benandmj
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I have one and it has saved me twice now. The Go Westy adapter does not work since the vanagon jack point accepts a larger diameter tube. I found that out and ended up welding on a proper sized tube.
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Tell me about how you mounted your jack to the swing away?
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Guess I'll stick with my harbor freight light weight aluminum jack instead. Interesting info.
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Exactly what I needed to hear. Time to start welding
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The Go Westy adapter does not work since the vanagon jack point accepts a larger diameter tube.
Thank you.
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levi20AE
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I have one and it has saved me twice now. The Go Westy adapter does not work since the vanagon jack point accepts a larger diameter tube. I found that out and ended up welding on a proper sized tube.
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I actually bought one of these for my bus and modified a Defender adapter to fit the bus jack points.
Jacked the bus up once and then sold the jack again. They are rather dangerous, especially if they are not on firm ground. Using the stock jacking points brings the jack way too close to the body, a little slip and you've got a huge dent in your bus, or in your head. They work a lot better on a Defender with jackmounts in the bumpers.
Besides that, they are impossibly heavy.
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Couple of High-Jacks and some Jack stands I imagine you could pull a Type IV motor on the side of the road. Amskeptic you game?
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I need to see this done.  |
I can picture it now. Amskeptic on the side of the road in the Mohave desert. Pulling the engine to change the clutch, all the while documenting it with his camera.
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Couple of High-Jacks and some Jack stands I imagine you could pull a Type IV motor on the side of the road. Amskeptic you game?
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I need to see this done.
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The only time I have had trouble with them is if they are not lubricated and the pins get stuck.
If you get stuck you can jack up the rear and push the vehicle over from the side and get the tires out of the ruts. A bumper jack can be used as well, if you can find one.
Couple of High-Jacks and some Jack stands I imagine you could pull a Type IV motor on the side of the road. Amskeptic you game?
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akscooter
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They call'em man killer jacks for a reason.
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Yea, sometimes when you're letting it down it 1/10 times it will completely let go and drop to the floor. If you don't get it straight, you risk leaning to one side or the other. Even on road, the base for it is helpful:
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These jacks are not for everybody. They are great for off road situations where a stock jack would sink into the dirt. They can be very dangerous. We always carried 2 on our fulltrack swamp buggy, and I have seen them pop out, fly out and bend under the weight of the buggy. Also used them as a Come Along to install the tracks. I carry a floor jack while on the road, but would prefer a Hi Lift with an adapter for the jack point for off road. |
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danfromsyr
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I have a farm jack (hi-lift) for equipment and trailers
a tirfor (Grip hoist) manual winch for extraction
and a hydraulic jack for lifting purposes..
they are a cheap man's jeep jack.. and dangerous as all heck if you don't respect them like the town drunk with a 9 iron.
each has it's place. and no farm jack on my bus.
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They weight a lot and take up a lot of space. But are excellent when you need them.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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they are great for getting out of the mud or being high centered. They were not designed to be used a general purpose side jack on bus. They can also be used as a cheap comealong. Using it to change tires on a bus would be like using a 20 pound sledge hammer to drive nails.
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