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my3bugs
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 Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:35 am Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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what a dim whit i am , that is the second line in the whole thread and i missed that  |
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ecallaway
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| nlorntson wrote: |
If your axle tube has the lip shown in the picture and the matching lip on the bearing cap, this is for you. Another hint is that your paper seals that come in the kit will not fit on the face of the axle tube because the lip is too large in diameter for the paper gasket to fit over. On this version, the paper gasket is not used at all.
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my3bugs
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| im diving into this on my 51 bug , as both sides leak some , this was very helpfull to see a how to first ..... i bought a couple axle seals kits from Wolfburg W , they came with two paper gaskets where you just used black RTV gasket seal ....... not sure if was supposed to use the 2 gaskets , i assume one would go between the backing plate and axle tube and the other on the front side ... Bob Mohler RIP built this trany and did as you , i see no paper just the RTV ....... Hmmm what to do ? so i called wolfsburg , they said a bug only used one of the paper gaskets , a bus 2 . and thaT SOME builders use the rtv instead of the paper ????????? |
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brr42
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| EverettB wrote: |
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| So I am having trouble getting the seal installed in the bearing cap. I have WW seals and have ruined one trying to install from the outside. I lubed the seal and have a harbor freight seal install kit along with a big ass hammer. I got it in but it peeled a bit of plastic off. I noticed the inside of the cap seems to have a slight taper and might be the correct way to install it? I have looked for help but it seems no one addresses installing this seal. Would using a press be an option? Any help would be appreciated. |
I install them from the inside, same as later seals.
Maybe this is the issue? |
I got them in this morning, from the inside. Thanks Everett. |
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BulliBill
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:08 am Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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I have a long breaker bar. I (now) weigh 150 lbs. So for 217 ft lbs I out the closest edge of my shoe 1.45 ft out from the center point of the breaker bar/socket. I then slowly step on the bar (when it is parallel to the ground). DO NOT JUMP on it! Logically that SHOULD be the required torque. I sometimes slowly step off of the bar and then slowly back on just to be sure it actually is at that torque.
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Yes, I have used this method and it works fine.
The hole lines up for me and I've never had any issues. |
I love to watch a woman work, especially this woman! Nice job Nancy! If I lived a bit closer to you I'd get horribly lazier and hire you to do all my service work! You are thorough and have a knack for creating great tutorials with great photography to explain things. Thanks again!
By the way, I own at least five different torque wrenches (two in foot. lbs and three in inch lbs.) but none that accurately measure past 200 ft. lbs. so I also do the "pipe over a 3/4" breaker bar" and gently stand on it at the calculated measurement out on the bar (NO bouncing!) to get the proper torque setting on my Type 1 or Type 2 axle nuts. It has always worked for me, so far, but I'm keeping my eye out for a heftier range torque wrench. One of my favorite torque wrenches is a cool inch lb. click-style wrench so that I can set those six oil strainer nuts perfectly at 72 inch lbs. (6 ft. lbs). I almost giggle when I'm done doing that!
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EverettB 
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| brr42 wrote: |
| So I am having trouble getting the seal installed in the bearing cap. I have WW seals and have ruined one trying to install from the outside. I lubed the seal and have a harbor freight seal install kit along with a big ass hammer. I got it in but it peeled a bit of plastic off. I noticed the inside of the cap seems to have a slight taper and might be the correct way to install it? I have looked for help but it seems no one addresses installing this seal. Would using a press be an option? Any help would be appreciated. |
I install them from the inside, same as later seals.
Maybe this is the issue?
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brr42
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| VW_Jimbo wrote: |
| brr42 wrote: |
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| brr42 wrote: |
| So I am having trouble getting the seal installed in the bearing cap. I have WW seals and have ruined one trying to install from the outside. I lubed the seal and have a harbor freight seal install kit along with a big ass hammer. I got it in but it peeled a bit of plastic off. I noticed the inside of the cap seems to have a slight taper and might be the correct way to install it? I have looked for help but it seems no one addresses installing this seal. Would using a press be an option? Any help would be appreciated. |
You need to lubricate the outside of the seal for installation, so that it will not get torn. I use copper red silicon, just a smear with a finger all the way around it. I then wipe the excess off. Others use oil. There was an old mechanic, when I first started that used rubbing alcohol. He had to work really fast!
Bottom line is lubricate it. |
Thanks for the reply, as I originally stated I did lube the seal with a small amount of moly grease, I also filed the edge of the cap to make sure there was no burr.
I think I will wait till my neighbor gets home and try his press so I can make sure the seal doesn't get cocked. I have never had an issue installing other seals. |
Yep! I am a dumbass! Can not read the written word! Sorry!
A press will work but you may get a similar result. On a few overly tight seal installs, I have used THIN sheet metal, as thin as you can get. I wrap it around the seal and get it into the retainer. Then start installing it. The seal will start in and I keep going. Be sure to keep the steel up towards the top during the process so that it can be removed. If it gets too far down in there, it will not come out easily.
It is not the best option, but an option! |
No problem, I appreciate the input. My neighbor is a heavy diesel mechanic and knows his stuff. He works on the road so I was hoping to get these in but I have plenty to do. I have some thin brass shim stock I will take a look at and maybe give it a try. |
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VW_Jimbo
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| brr42 wrote: |
| VW_Jimbo wrote: |
| brr42 wrote: |
| So I am having trouble getting the seal installed in the bearing cap. I have WW seals and have ruined one trying to install from the outside. I lubed the seal and have a harbor freight seal install kit along with a big ass hammer. I got it in but it peeled a bit of plastic off. I noticed the inside of the cap seems to have a slight taper and might be the correct way to install it? I have looked for help but it seems no one addresses installing this seal. Would using a press be an option? Any help would be appreciated. |
You need to lubricate the outside of the seal for installation, so that it will not get torn. I use copper red silicon, just a smear with a finger all the way around it. I then wipe the excess off. Others use oil. There was an old mechanic, when I first started that used rubbing alcohol. He had to work really fast!
Bottom line is lubricate it. |
Thanks for the reply, as I originally stated I did lube the seal with a small amount of moly grease, I also filed the edge of the cap to make sure there was no burr.
I think I will wait till my neighbor gets home and try his press so I can make sure the seal doesn't get cocked. I have never had an issue installing other seals. |
Yep! I am a dumbass! Can not read the written word! Sorry!
A press will work but you may get a similar result. On a few overly tight seal installs, I have used THIN sheet metal, as thin as you can get. I wrap it around the seal and get it into the retainer. Then start installing it. The seal will start in and I keep going. Be sure to keep the steel up towards the top during the process so that it can be removed. If it gets too far down in there, it will not come out easily.
It is not the best option, but an option!
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brr42
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| VW_Jimbo wrote: |
| brr42 wrote: |
| So I am having trouble getting the seal installed in the bearing cap. I have WW seals and have ruined one trying to install from the outside. I lubed the seal and have a harbor freight seal install kit along with a big ass hammer. I got it in but it peeled a bit of plastic off. I noticed the inside of the cap seems to have a slight taper and might be the correct way to install it? I have looked for help but it seems no one addresses installing this seal. Would using a press be an option? Any help would be appreciated. |
You need to lubricate the outside of the seal for installation, so that it will not get torn. I use copper red silicon, just a smear with a finger all the way around it. I then wipe the excess off. Others use oil. There was an old mechanic, when I first started that used rubbing alcohol. He had to work really fast!
Bottom line is lubricate it. |
Thanks for the reply, as I originally stated I did lube the seal with a small amount of moly grease, I also filed the edge of the cap to make sure there was no burr.
I think I will wait till my neighbor gets home and try his press so I can make sure the seal doesn't get cocked. I have never had an issue installing other seals. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| brr42 wrote: |
| So I am having trouble getting the seal installed in the bearing cap. I have WW seals and have ruined one trying to install from the outside. I lubed the seal and have a harbor freight seal install kit along with a big ass hammer. I got it in but it peeled a bit of plastic off. I noticed the inside of the cap seems to have a slight taper and might be the correct way to install it? I have looked for help but it seems no one addresses installing this seal. Would using a press be an option? Any help would be appreciated. |
You need to lubricate the outside of the seal for installation, so that it will not get torn. I use copper red silicon, just a smear with a finger all the way around it. I then wipe the excess off. Others use oil. There was an old mechanic, when I first started that used rubbing alcohol. He had to work really fast!
Bottom line is lubricate it.
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brr42
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| So I am having trouble getting the seal installed in the bearing cap. I have WW seals and have ruined one trying to install from the outside. I lubed the seal and have a harbor freight seal install kit along with a big ass hammer. I got it in but it peeled a bit of plastic off. I noticed the inside of the cap seems to have a slight taper and might be the correct way to install it? I have looked for help but it seems no one addresses installing this seal. Would using a press be an option? Any help would be appreciated. |
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Nevohteeb
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 6:58 am Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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I forgot to answer, but indeed I managed to rebuild everything following your method.
Pretty straightforward. |
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Got_Air
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 6:56 am Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| This is amazing! I have really struggled with this. Thanks for the step by step. Very helpful! |
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EverettB
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| Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| kwalker wrote: |
I have a long breaker bar. I (now) weigh 150 lbs. So for 217 ft lbs I out the closest edge of my shoe 1.45 ft out from the center point of the breaker bar/socket. I then slowly step on the bar (when it is parallel to the ground). DO NOT JUMP on it! Logically that SHOULD be the required torque. I sometimes slowly step off of the bar and then slowly back on just to be sure it actually is at that torque.
Thoughts? |
Yes, I have used this method and it works fine.
The hole lines up for me and I've never had any issues.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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I have a long breaker bar. I (now) weigh 150 lbs. So for 217 ft lbs I out the closest edge of my shoe 1.45 ft out from the center point of the breaker bar/socket. I then slowly step on the bar (when it is parallel to the ground). DO NOT JUMP on it! Logically that SHOULD be the required torque. I sometimes slowly step off of the bar and then slowly back on just to be sure it actually is at that torque.
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Borrow a torque wrench from your local FLAPS? |
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kwalker
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| Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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I have a long breaker bar. I (now) weigh 150 lbs. So for 217 ft lbs I out the closest edge of my shoe 1.45 ft out from the center point of the breaker bar/socket. I then slowly step on the bar (when it is parallel to the ground). DO NOT JUMP on it! Logically that SHOULD be the required torque. I sometimes slowly step off of the bar and then slowly back on just to be sure it actually is at that torque.
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jason
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| Oil on the lips of the seal too. Just a little to keep it from burning. I dont want grease flinging off in there. |
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Nevohteeb
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| I grease the spacer before I put it through the seal. |
Inner diameter or outer diameter? I guess it's the outer diameter such that it turns with the axe.
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Such an archaic set-up. It always amazes me that they don't crap out quicker than they do. |
That may sounds stupid but I started my bug restoration to learn things. And as I dismantle and rebuild things, I'm always asking to myself "how did a 70 years ago engineer get to this specific solution?" And I love that.
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D. Haviland
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| I grease the spacer before I put it through the seal. Such an archaic set-up. It always amazes me that they don't crap out quicker than they do. |
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jason
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: How To: Split and oval rear wheel seal installation |
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| Use some oil on the orings, will help with seating. They won’t hangup. |
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