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madmike Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 5300 Location: Atlanta,Michigan
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:04 am Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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next step toss the stock shifter on the shelf and buy a decent aftermarket shifter ,,You'll thank us later cuz they shift 10 times better then stock  _________________ 'Black Ice'Drag Buggy 'Turbo'
Rail Buggy 1915 turbo
76 Drag/Street bug 2180cc 'Turbo' 11:85 @113 mph"If I go any faster I'll burn up the Hamster" ,gets 28 mpg. also 10/09/22 11.90 @115 mph
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tthoms Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2016 Posts: 184 Location: Los Lunas, NM
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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The job is done! Took me about 7 hours from start to finish.
I took the rod out completely. Cleaned it up and greased it. The most difficult part was putting it back in after I had it through the bushing. I used a yardstick to push the thing through. What a hassle! (I can see how the pvc tool comes in).
First time I got the rod back, it had worked its way under all of the cabling in the tube, so I couldn't hook it to the coupler. I had to move it back out and try again.
I replaced the urethane bushings, and sewed it all up! Shifts better, not perfectly. I may have to fiddle with the plate some, and there's still some noise at the shifter when I shift, but not nearly the racket I had.. (Then again, that may be normal?) But I'm kind of proud of myself for my first time doing this.
Thank you all for your help! Next up, the heating system! |
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mcmscott Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2010 Posts: 4940 Location: sanger ca
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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| 57BLITZ wrote: |
| mcmscott wrote: |
Very much so. No one makes a correct cage. If you use the original cage, new bushing, you should be able to just bolt the shifter in place with no side to side adjusting. |
Thanks Scott . . . Unfortunately, the previous owner threw away the original coupler when it was replaced with the "Rhino" coupler.
Is there any workaround so I can use the "Rhino" coupler, or should I try to source an O.E. coupler cage? |
You can use it, they are not "horrible" just no where near as correct as the original. You may need to do some "adjusting" that would not otherwise be needed. I prefere the og cage with CB's bushings. _________________ There are no stupid questions, only stupid people,
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57BLITZ Samba Member

Joined: June 12, 2012 Posts: 2395 Location: DEEK - U.S.A.
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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| mcmscott wrote: |
Very much so. No one makes a correct cage. If you use the original cage, new bushing, you should be able to just bolt the shifter in place with no side to side adjusting. |
Thanks Scott . . . Unfortunately, the previous owner threw away the original coupler when it was replaced with the "Rhino" coupler.
Is there any workaround so I can use the "Rhino" coupler, or should I try to source an O.E. coupler cage? _________________ Jesucristo es mi Señor y Salvador! |
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KTPhil  Samba Member

Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 36298 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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| That looks like urethane or other hard plastic, not rubber. It may rattle more, and the rubber is easy enough to replace if it gets sloppy. |
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mcmscott Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2010 Posts: 4940 Location: sanger ca
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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Very much so. No one makes a correct cage. If you use the original cage, new bushing, you should be able to just bolt the shifter in place with no side to side adjusting. _________________ There are no stupid questions, only stupid people,
68 Ghia
67 T-1
65 Notch
02 Mexican beetle
74 Thing
15 Long travel rail
07 Nomad
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tthoms Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2016 Posts: 184 Location: Los Lunas, NM
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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| KTPhil wrote: |
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| If you replace the coupler, re-use the original cage, throw the new one in the trash and just use the new bushings. |
X2, all the metal parts of the kits I've seen are garbage. The rubber is what you are after; that's usually all that wears. |
Noted! will do. |
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57BLITZ Samba Member

Joined: June 12, 2012 Posts: 2395 Location: DEEK - U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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| mcmscott wrote: |
| If you replace the coupler, re-use the original cage, throw the new one in the trash and just use the new bushings. |
Does that apply to these? http://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/6110.htm _________________ Jesucristo es mi Señor y Salvador! |
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KTPhil  Samba Member

Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 36298 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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| mcmscott wrote: |
| If you replace the coupler, re-use the original cage, throw the new one in the trash and just use the new bushings. |
X2, all the metal parts of the kits I've seen are garbage. The rubber is what you are after; that's usually all that wears. |
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mcmscott Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2010 Posts: 4940 Location: sanger ca
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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If you replace the coupler, re-use the original cage, throw the new one in the trash and just use the new bushings. _________________ There are no stupid questions, only stupid people,
68 Ghia
67 T-1
65 Notch
02 Mexican beetle
74 Thing
15 Long travel rail
07 Nomad
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tthoms Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2016 Posts: 184 Location: Los Lunas, NM
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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Thanks everyone for the tips and links. I plan on replacing the bushing, and though its not obvious they need it, the rubber parts of the coupler. Ordering the parts today.
Thanks again! |
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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33424 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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I just replaced the factory shift bushing on my 1970 a few months ago, with photos on page 21 of my resurrection thread https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...;start=400
I did this 2 decades ago on my 1971 Super, was a little easier because the shift rod on a 1971 Super can move forward enough so taking off front panels is not necessary.
Apparently German-made shift bushings are available, from advertisers like CB Performance. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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KTPhil  Samba Member

Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 36298 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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New one looks like this:
Here is a diagram to help you:
There are threads on how to replace this. It's a greasy job but that, along with replacing or refurbishing the coupler under the seat, will make it shift much better. Don't take shortcuts, or you will be doing it again shortly. |
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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33424 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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Sounds like the shift bushing is no longer seated in the hole in the bracket, like you need a new shift bushing. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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tthoms Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2016 Posts: 184 Location: Los Lunas, NM
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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It slides freely on the shaft. Or the shaft slides through the bushing freely?
Makes a difference.
All of the bushings I have ever looked at are split and and have a retaining ring around the forward end of the bushing. |
I can spin bushing around and slide it up and down the shaft with a q-tip. |
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tthoms Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2016 Posts: 184 Location: Los Lunas, NM
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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| Wiggle the coupler back and forth, both shafts should move together, if they don't then there's a big part of the problem. Looks like the safety wire for the lock screw has broken |
I'll check tomorrow. |
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66brm Samba Member

Joined: January 25, 2010 Posts: 3676 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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Wiggle the coupler back and forth, both shafts should move together, if they don't then there's a big part of the problem. Looks like the safety wire for the lock screw has broken _________________ Aust. RHD 66 Type 1
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| I am an expert at fitting things in holes, been doing it a long time |
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67rustavenger Samba Member

Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 11505 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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It slides freely on the shaft. Or the shaft slides through the bushing freely?
Makes a difference.
All of the bushings I have ever looked at are split and and have a retaining ring around the forward end of the bushing. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
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There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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tthoms Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2016 Posts: 184 Location: Los Lunas, NM
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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Okay, I went in and examined the contact points in question.
The coupler needs a cleaning, and there's some play in it when the shifter is moved. There's also a piece of safety wire towards the back, securing the back screw. I don't know how it is supposed to look, so I can't see anything wrong with it.
The shifter itself. I can't see anything wrong with that either.
The shifter plate and socket. As far as I can tell, ok from this angle.
Here's where I get nervous. There's a plastic ring around the rod that leads to the back. It seems to be split, and slides freely on the shaft.
That's bad, isn't it? |
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VW_Jimbo  Samba Member

Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 11435 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues |
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I agree that the coupler sounds bad. The rubber side pieces sometimes become gummy. That causes a strange shift into and out of gears. Quick check will let you know. _________________ Jimbo
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| Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look. |
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