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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

next step toss the stock shifter on the shelf and buy a decent aftermarket shifter ,,You'll thank us later Wink cuz they shift 10 times better then stock Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

The job is done! Took me about 7 hours from start to finish.

I took the rod out completely. Cleaned it up and greased it. The most difficult part was putting it back in after I had it through the bushing. I used a yardstick to push the thing through. What a hassle! (I can see how the pvc tool comes in).
First time I got the rod back, it had worked its way under all of the cabling in the tube, so I couldn't hook it to the coupler. I had to move it back out and try again.
I replaced the urethane bushings, and sewed it all up! Shifts better, not perfectly. I may have to fiddle with the plate some, and there's still some noise at the shifter when I shift, but not nearly the racket I had.. (Then again, that may be normal?) But I'm kind of proud of myself for my first time doing this.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

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If you replace the coupler, re-use the original cage, throw the new one in the trash and just use the new bushings.

Does that apply to these? http://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/6110.htm



Very much so. No one makes a correct cage. If you use the original cage, new bushing, you should be able to just bolt the shifter in place with no side to side adjusting.


Thanks Scott . . . Unfortunately, the previous owner threw away the original coupler when it was replaced with the "Rhino" coupler.
Is there any workaround so I can use the "Rhino" coupler, or should I try to source an O.E. coupler cage?


You can use it, they are not "horrible" just no where near as correct as the original. You may need to do some "adjusting" that would not otherwise be needed. I prefere the og cage with CB's bushings.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

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If you replace the coupler, re-use the original cage, throw the new one in the trash and just use the new bushings.

Does that apply to these? http://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/6110.htm



Very much so. No one makes a correct cage. If you use the original cage, new bushing, you should be able to just bolt the shifter in place with no side to side adjusting.


Thanks Scott . . . Unfortunately, the previous owner threw away the original coupler when it was replaced with the "Rhino" coupler.
Is there any workaround so I can use the "Rhino" coupler, or should I try to source an O.E. coupler cage?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

That looks like urethane or other hard plastic, not rubber. It may rattle more, and the rubber is easy enough to replace if it gets sloppy.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

57BLITZ wrote:
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If you replace the coupler, re-use the original cage, throw the new one in the trash and just use the new bushings.

Does that apply to these? http://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/6110.htm



Very much so. No one makes a correct cage. If you use the original cage, new bushing, you should be able to just bolt the shifter in place with no side to side adjusting.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

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If you replace the coupler, re-use the original cage, throw the new one in the trash and just use the new bushings.


X2, all the metal parts of the kits I've seen are garbage. The rubber is what you are after; that's usually all that wears.


Noted! will do.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

mcmscott wrote:
If you replace the coupler, re-use the original cage, throw the new one in the trash and just use the new bushings.

Does that apply to these? http://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/6110.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

mcmscott wrote:
If you replace the coupler, re-use the original cage, throw the new one in the trash and just use the new bushings.


X2, all the metal parts of the kits I've seen are garbage. The rubber is what you are after; that's usually all that wears.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

If you replace the coupler, re-use the original cage, throw the new one in the trash and just use the new bushings.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for the tips and links. I plan on replacing the bushing, and though its not obvious they need it, the rubber parts of the coupler. Ordering the parts today.

Thanks again!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

I just replaced the factory shift bushing on my 1970 a few months ago, with photos on page 21 of my resurrection thread https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...;start=400


I did this 2 decades ago on my 1971 Super, was a little easier because the shift rod on a 1971 Super can move forward enough so taking off front panels is not necessary.

Apparently German-made shift bushings are available, from advertisers like CB Performance.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

New one looks like this:
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Here is a diagram to help you:
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There are threads on how to replace this. It's a greasy job but that, along with replacing or refurbishing the coupler under the seat, will make it shift much better. Don't take shortcuts, or you will be doing it again shortly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

Sounds like the shift bushing is no longer seated in the hole in the bracket, like you need a new shift bushing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

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It slides freely on the shaft. Or the shaft slides through the bushing freely?
Makes a difference.
All of the bushings I have ever looked at are split and and have a retaining ring around the forward end of the bushing.


I can spin bushing around and slide it up and down the shaft with a q-tip.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

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Wiggle the coupler back and forth, both shafts should move together, if they don't then there's a big part of the problem. Looks like the safety wire for the lock screw has broken


I'll check tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

Wiggle the coupler back and forth, both shafts should move together, if they don't then there's a big part of the problem. Looks like the safety wire for the lock screw has broken
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

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It slides freely on the shaft. Or the shaft slides through the bushing freely?
Makes a difference.
All of the bushings I have ever looked at are split and and have a retaining ring around the forward end of the bushing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

Okay, I went in and examined the contact points in question.
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The coupler needs a cleaning, and there's some play in it when the shifter is moved. There's also a piece of safety wire towards the back, securing the back screw. I don't know how it is supposed to look, so I can't see anything wrong with it.


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The shifter itself. I can't see anything wrong with that either.


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The shifter plate and socket. As far as I can tell, ok from this angle.


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Here's where I get nervous. There's a plastic ring around the rod that leads to the back. It seems to be split, and slides freely on the shaft.

That's bad, isn't it?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Diagnosing shifter issues Reply with quote

I agree that the coupler sounds bad. The rubber side pieces sometimes become gummy. That causes a strange shift into and out of gears. Quick check will let you know.
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