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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

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I'd be interested to know if those rods are balanced or not...that's a lot of material removed. Jose at DPR balanced mine by removing material on the big end. That rod has the entire line removed...that's gotta be quite a bit of weight. How did the rest of the internals look?


At this point I just have to know how close it is to balanced. I assume that's the reason behind it..but holy shit. Someone went to town on that thing...I have no history on any of the car really, just guess work. This engine was built MANY years ago; I can tell that much by scientific measurement of the sludge in the bottom.
It's a fun project: I found assembly grease still present on the valve train and 1/2" of black sludge in the sump. So this was built, hastily I think, and barely run. Main bearing are standard, crank is in good shape. Nothing terribly frightening...but I'm going to get stuck with crooked Dr Spock eyebrows if I find anymore puzzles.

I mean...who was weighing 36 rods back in the 80's? Or..ever really? I know the 'pros' did because it's the right thing to do, but the way this is built (RTV on the case!) I'm fairly surprised they took the time. Assuming that's the deal.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

Yes, 36hp use the dished washer on the snout. They are a little different from 1600, they can slide on without removing the woodruff key.
I'd be interested to know if those rods are balanced or not...that's a lot of material removed. Jose at DPR balanced mine by removing material on the big end. That rod has the entire line removed...that's gotta be quite a bit of weight. How did the rest of the internals look?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

Anyways....I got it running to the extent I wanted. I knew it was just a preliminary assembly of everything and it would be VERY unlikely it was going to be great and run smooth.
But It runs. Or it DID run. I didn't like it. Didn't like what I saw..I figured I need to dig in a little deeper or lose sleep over it.

So. I did.

And I'm just going to leave this here.
I don't know whether to be terrified or impressed. I've balanced rods before; I think we used to get them withing .5grams typically. I tore a 356 engine down once with one rod something like 30 grams off.
But this. THIS. I don't know. Dammit. Hilarious.

Or not, I can't decide.

p.s. Do 36hp cranks have the dished washer just ahead of the small end bearing? I can't remember....but it wasn't there!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

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1st thing I do when I get my hands on an engine with the distributor clocked like that...I pull the drive gear, and re-clock it to the proper orientation.


Well, technically there's nothing wrong with it. As long as it's timed and the plug wires correspond with TDC it's functionally identical to any other position it could be in. I put it that way to hide the awesome/incorrect condenser and it puts the neato badge right out front on the distributor.

But...moving along. This car is simply giving me the shit. New plugs, plug wires, coil. Carb and fuel pump and great. No problem with fuel supply. i do have spark. But it must be really crappy. It'll crank and sputter all day long but will not run. I/m getting really crappy spark at the cap/wire when cranking. I just have absolutely zero spare VW parts anymore so I have to try and find a spare distributor somewhere. I can find nothing wrong with the cap, rotor, points...nothing. But that's the only thing I haven't swapped out completely.
I live in a city with literally NOTHING useful available at all anywhere from anyone.
I can't even buy a 6 volt car battery in this damn town.

edit; Runs decent. I found a spare condenser in the mystical piles of crap I'm burying myself in. Towed it to the local Bentley dealership and Got it up on the lift and flew Klaus in from motherland to install it.
Fired right up!

funny because I think the p.o never drove the car at all..because of the condenser.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

1st thing I do when I get my hands on an engine with the distributor clocked like that...I pull the drive gear, and re-clock it to the proper orientation. It's good that you know it's that way...but the next guy who isn't familiar with doing that will be scratching their head for quite a while. Or...when you're engine isn't running Embarassed you might be over-looking the simplest of things.

Maybe the last guy adjusted the valves with the distributor rotor pointed at the #1 hash on the distributor rim? This is just one thing that could be off...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

You guys. I clocked the distributor drive so the badge is facing that way.
The plugs are correct on the distributor....this is only about the 140th VW I've owned (thought I have swapped the plug wires wrong a million times). The notch on the distributor is directly under the #1 plug wire. While I had the heads off I did check to make sure that the cam was timed right- I suppose it's possible it's like ONE tooth off; I dind't open the case.
Which is why it's sort of funny it won't really run. It actually starts, but just sputters..and will continue to sputter even if you literally pour gas down the carb. And I've swapped 3 carbs out now. All the exact same result- except for the one that leaked real bad.

But fairly sure it's spark. When I took everything apart the coil was wired backwards (15/1 connections), I think it is half fried. I need to get my multimeter out and test it and dig around for another condenser.

Also going to loosen up some drivetrain mount stuff and see how much I can tilt the back of the engine down. Maybe I have the trans nosecone bolted down too high, fairly sure those hole are slightly slotted.

Here you go- rotor pointing at #1. Firing order 1-4-3-2- Yellow marks are TDC.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

good eye Rome, yes the wires are in the wrong position, they appear 90 degrees out.

even with a centrifugal-only advance distributor, the number one TDC rotor position is the same, pointing over your right shoulder when facing the engine.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

Nice looking Beetle. For your taillamps, as an experiment to achieve the heart unit look, how about modifying a snowflake housing by cutting out the shape of the top heart lens and gluing in a repro heart lens? Set the heart lens back an equal distance from the housing attachment fastening screw. You can use a good photo of a genuine heart housing for dimensional reference, and just cut the snowflake housing so that the shoulder of the heart lens sits against the snowflake housing from underneath. Then use some silicone glue to fasten the heart lens from underneath to the housing. Here's a housing you can try- https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2319751

If the round contours of the lens match those of the top of the cheap snowflake housing, then you can do this conversion to your snowflakes (or buy a cheap set to redo and repaint anyway so that you keep your originals untouched). Might be enough o have a local body paint shop mix up a spray can bottle of Jupiter Grey so you can paint the housings. Mount the lamps down low in the original style heart location (aha- I see you did that; after I posted my response), not at the higher snowflake location. Since your car is a "13 footer", I bet such a modification would look genuine to most casual observers. No need to make the fake heart lens functional; you just glue it in for appearance.

Engine: I zoomed in on your "engine installed" photo. At first glance it looks like your plug wires are clocked 1 position too far clockwise (CW) in the cap. You can clearly see the wire for #4 at the "left front" of the cap when looking straight down at the cap. That would make the wire for #1 the next one CCW, namely "left rear" (ignition firing order 1-4-3-2). But "usually" the plug wire for #1 is at the "right rear" cap position.

Have you checked the distributor rotor position with the cap off and the crank pulley at #1 position (confirmed by the cylinder #1 valves both being closed)? If the rotor points to the right rear with the crank pulley at TDC, then you simply reclock the plug wires so that the wire for #1 comes out of the right rear cap terminal. But your distrib. is not an original type with the vacuum canister on the left. No vacuum canister would make it a mechanical advance type, so that there could still be a variation of how the rotor position would be... some could have the #1 cyl. wire 2 cap positions back (at "right front" cap position).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

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Anyone know a source for a good slightly thicker pan/ body gasket? 1/2"-3/4" would probably be close enough.



pan gasket 1/2" to 3/4"??? this is NOT the way to fix your problems. I would start looking into why the body sits too low for the engine. Original pan gaskets are thin, and to take a correctly fitting body and jack it up by 3/4" would cause a lot of problems.

is the pan later?

transaxle mounts wrong?

wrong transaxle?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

Well. Got the engine thingy installed. It would be nice if it would run. Have no idea what the problem is- got fuel instantly, don't see ANY problem with the carb (which I've already rebuilt), spark? yes.
Timing...isn't that hard. I get an occasional sputter, sometimes it'll rumble and nearly fire up. 30 years of VW's and I can't make a 36hp run? Yeah.

Also- body is too low. I think I need to unbolt it and get a thicker pan seal. Engine seal sits roughly 3/4" low. Tailpipe will NEVER clear the rear apron.

Anyone know a source for a good slightly thicker pan/ body gasket? 1/2"-3/4" would probably be close enough.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

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Wow! That is fantastic. I want one.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

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Progress looks great! Noticed you got some tail lights too...still looking for correct ones?
For what the car was when you bought it...you are getting it straightened out pretty quick! Should be ready to drive when the weather gets nice.


Yeah...I'm keeping my eye open for a pair of hearts; there was a set on here for just over $400'ish a week or so back. They sold in about an hour while I was *budgeting*. The snowflakes came with it and cost me nothing, so...I can live with those until I get some interior done I think.
I've also upgraded every bulb I could to LED. 6V LED is interesting. I got flashing flappy signals, LED tails and speedo + interior light.
The LED headlight bulbs weren't great, so those will just be 6v H4.

So..in the near term the chores are -
1. Make it run.
2. Bleed the brakes.
3. Try and get the steering straight. I had to replace the short tie rod and the steering box. Getting it back 'the way it was' and driving nice so it turns evenly and is smooth seemed hard the last time I did it on another car...like a decade ago.

And the windows. They just don't go up and down well AT ALL. I'm missing both supports and the regulators are suspicious. They're lubed well and don't seem terribly worn, so it may just be the 'new' window channels.
But...another project.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

Progress looks great! Noticed you got some tail lights too...still looking for correct ones?
For what the car was when you bought it...you are getting it straightened out pretty quick! Should be ready to drive when the weather gets nice.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

Ok, been saving some progress for this update.
A few pics to follow!
So, the engine came out relatively quickly. Tin went to the powdercoater and I just got it back. Next time remind me to find better/ cleaner/ less rusty-er tin.
I got it all back and it's decent, it won't be a show car by any means, so using what I had works for now.
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New brakes, brake lines, hardware, drums...etc..
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Some past owner ran a FABTASTIC copper bendy fuel line down the right side running board. So that had to go. I was able run a good stainless line down the rear next to the original line, through the tunnel and pop it out right behind the place it should be. Again, that works for me.
OH! And the contraption on the fuel reserve lever is a 'low fuel' switch. A warning light (sourced from 62' t-bird) comes on when it fuel is OFF or on R. I know a couple people (me?) who would absolutely forget to turn the lever back...don't need that trouble.
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Removed and cleaned the trans, new seals everywhere I could access, boots, brakes, etc. Cleaned up and re-lined and sound proofed the engine compartment.
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Some foglights for fun, didn't need those, but got them for less than the value of the brackets, so why not.
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Engine in progress

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Cleaned and straightened the interior, NOS Ra-bambus shelf, a repro cruiser pedal- of course. I have some pop-outs coming and a few misc little trinkets.
But...just MAYBE I'll be close to firing it up this weekend...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

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wow they painted the car with the semaphores and door strikers in place Confused


I have those bulbs in my 51, they work well.



Yes sir they did.

You did see the thing I said up there^ ..?

About the bolts missing. Lol.


The whole car Is really quite decent. The pan is amazing. Somebody had BIG plans... that changed for some reason. And it seems like they put this together in a hurry. I think they meant well and could have really screwed this car up but for some reason a ways back it had to go.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

wow they painted the car with the semaphores and door strikers in place Confused


I have those bulbs in my 51, they work well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

Fully restored! Ready to go!
Engine is out and torn down for a quick once over.
Nothing shocking...except.. SOMEONE left the two case bolts out just below the thrust bearing. WTF people. Seriously. Who would do that?
So. Obviously I have to go and look further.
Hoping to get a couple misc piece of tin I'm missing-
under fuel pump
behind pulley
spark plug tube and a few other odds and ends then tin goes to powdercoating.

I have some more pics, nothing as fun as this. 6V blinky Semperfours!
I dig it, nice and bright too.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

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No the wipers on a 54 don't park. They are part # L113 955 111 The wiper motor from a 56-7 (L113 955 111A) was the first to park and they can also have the armature changed to 12volts. I have a 54 that was converted to 12 volts but the wipers were not and I bought a 12volt converted 56-7 motor from Don West the windshield wiper guy. you also have to change the wiper switch to the 56-7 3 wire style to work with it.


the wipers on our 3/55 don't park either - FYI
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

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looks like a great car. Congratulations!! Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: Brought home a Jan/ Feb 54' Jupiter Grey Euro Reply with quote

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The engine it came with is 3689232 - that makes it late 56’ ?

Haven’t owned an old VW for 10 -15 years, but I have had quite a few. I just don’t remember all the little numbers.
The distributor is a VJR4 BR 25, isn’t that a type2 unit?
For my purposes for the foreseeable future it doesn’t matter, but working out the little details is fun.

Should the wipers park on a 54?


i'd say february 61 if that's the serial number on the block?


I was just guessing, haven't looked it up actually. But Wasn't the 40hp well into production by late 60?
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