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mark tucker Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23950 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:38 am Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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yes it will have some hard zones, I wood use a die grinder and take out almost the thickness of the sleeve you intend to put back in. or it's just going to kill/dull the cutter and..creat a lot of heat as it trys to knurl it's way through.... |
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27678 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
modok wrote: |
I've got a contender
Perkins engine block here, has a piece of angle iron welded in the cylinder for the purpose of removing the cylinder sleeve.
Here is the problem
Only certain versions of this engine have removable cylinder sleeves,
and this isn't one of them! |
dang. What if you bored the bores even larger, and then slipped in a new sleeve?
I've never seen one installed on a typical v8 but aren't they just press fits? |
Good guess, that's exactly the plan. I've put in many hundreds of sleeves, just did three today. you can use a heavy press fit, but usually it is better to use a light press fit and a step at the bottom below the sleeve so it can't drop.
But boring through the weld zone will be.......not fun. I am suspect the welding has created super hard zones around the weld.
Excited to start fixing it soon as they put down a deposit.  |
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mark tucker Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23950 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:42 am Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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some are press fits some arnt...Ive installed tomany. , but for some of the stupidest things ever have to be the morons that put them into production or the other morons that take a 250 hp 16 valve dohc 2.4l performance na engine and make it so it only puts out....160~170 hp at the flywheel!!! you cant fix stupid. now if it said honda on the valve cover it would probably be 260 hp...but it dont.you cant fix stupid. I think hondas s 2000 NA 4 cyl engine at 2000 cc is around 240 hp....like it should be, |
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Chickensoup Samba Member

Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5395 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:51 am Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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modok wrote: |
I've got a contender
Perkins engine block here, has a piece of angle iron welded in the cylinder for the purpose of removing the cylinder sleeve.
Here is the problem
Only certain versions of this engine have removable cylinder sleeves,
and this isn't one of them! |
dang. What if you bored the bores even larger, and then slipped in a new sleeve?
I've never seen one installed on a typical v8 but aren't they just press fits? _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, cam, heads, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'01 e46 325ci *tree modded
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP |
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27678 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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I've got a contender
Perkins engine block here, has a piece of angle iron welded in the cylinder for the purpose of removing the cylinder sleeve.
Here is the problem
Only certain versions of this engine have removable cylinder sleeves,
and this isn't one of them! |
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Chickensoup Samba Member

Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5395 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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Oh btw, at the last vw meet I was at, I saw this....
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The video speaks for itself lol
And this was after we got it running. Engine had a top end "rebuild".
The china carb came with bolts not studs. And the rear bolt was bottoming about and pushing the carb up. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, cam, heads, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'01 e46 325ci *tree modded
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP |
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Chickensoup Samba Member

Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5395 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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it's actually a two cylinder
I'm sure you already know dis butt those are the injectors you see on the top.
Which is y they call them "pumper dusen" or however you spell it.
Edit, I found the noise. It's just the serpentine belt dampener. If it explodes oh well. It wont be the end of the world.
_________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, cam, heads, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'01 e46 325ci *tree modded
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP |
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mark tucker Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23950 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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I stoped doing diesels after the first 4-71 I did....it took over a year to get all the crap out of the jet clean!!!! 1 they are too effing heavy, 2 they are stinkey,3 nasty...
on another note...that engine only have 1 valve per cylinder?dam chicken hows it run?? just kidding. |
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kingkarmann Samba Member

Joined: November 05, 2003 Posts: 4516
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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Engines and the cars that they power are engineered and built for ease of factory assembly. Very little consideration is given when it comes to service ancillary parts like water pumps, starters, spark plugs and the like.
It seem like lately every time I tackle a job on a "modern" car or truck the first step in the procedure is to remove motor mounts, raise transmissions for clearance or remove frame members to gain access to what should be simple repairs. Dumb and frustrating! |
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Dave Samba Elder
Joined: July 11, 2002 Posts: 2716 Location: The Forest Moon of Endor, in the Redwoods
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:32 am Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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guy sold me an engine for an aircooled, dual relief, dual Dellorto 40's, guy said it ran, but it vibrated like hell at idle. I did a valve adjust, oil change, put it on my run stand, and fired it up, thinking the guy didn't know how to synch the carbs...engine at idle almost shook the run stand on it's side.. this ain't no carb synch issue.. pull the head on the 3-4 side...okay, 92's, and 82mm stroke, great!! it's a 2180..pull the other side...no friggin way, says right on the pistons 90.45... yeah it might be a tiny bit out of balance..  _________________ 2003 Samba Chummie Winner- Best Story
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Chickensoup Samba Member

Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5395 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:55 am Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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calvinater wrote: |
Maybe you should get some gloves.  |
Not at 16 dollars a box!!  _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, cam, heads, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'01 e46 325ci *tree modded
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP |
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Chickensoup Samba Member

Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5395 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:55 am Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
Did you mag out all the valleys in the head to get as much of the particulate out as possible?
Did you check that the galley plugs were still intact in the injector rockers? |
Yes and no. Hopefully all is well with the second part.
Good news is, it's running, and I timed it right.
It has TONS for power. Although I cant drive it very fast due to the radiator hanging down. And the smoke is nearly gone. I will run I deisle purge and see what happens.
Right now it's got a chirping noise. I double checked all tensoiners. The noise was present before i replaced anything.
I'm thinking it's a bad altenator bearing and sperentene tensioner.
I read over on tdiclub that the outside of the timing belt can rub and make the same sound, so I will see if the candle trick works.
Oh, and I can hear my turbo now
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Next on the list now that the cam burn in is complete, is an oil change and filter which will be here tomarrow. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, cam, heads, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'01 e46 325ci *tree modded
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli

Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 13303 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:03 am Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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Did you mag out all the valleys in the head to get as much of the particulate out as possible?
Did you check that the galley plugs were still intact in the injector rockers? _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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finster Samba Member

Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 10069 Location: not far from the madding crowd
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:37 am Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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or you'll have a cock like a tiger's tail! as an old mechanic once said to me...  _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect... |
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calvinater Samba Member

Joined: September 06, 2014 Posts: 3585 Location: 802 The Pointless Forrest
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:54 am Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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Maybe you should get some gloves.  _________________ "Albatross"! |
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Chickensoup Samba Member

Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5395 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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well i was nearly ready to fire up the passat and break in the cam. i just need to tighten the timing belt and hook the accessories back up. I should have it running again 2marrow.
new cam, lifters(the black oxide style), cam bearings, water pump, tensioners, belt, etc.
im posting on this b/c i did something really stupid 2day... I tried using the cam pulley puller backwards and stripped a thread good news is, only the very first thread got goofed up. So all is good now.
i dont know why the video i was watching had me do this. but i did it any way. The factory timing marks were still on there thankfully so the timing is exactly how it was be 4.
Well damn! that boy messed up.
and it being a deisle, your gonna get FILTHY.
I was hungry and didnt want to digest oil, so a banana worked out well.
nearly back together. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, cam, heads, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'01 e46 325ci *tree modded
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP |
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Chickensoup Samba Member

Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5395 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:46 am Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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borninabus wrote: |
Chickensoup wrote: |
For those wondering what service mode on a b5 passat looks like...
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going to do the balance shaft delete while you're at it? |
Nah, the balance shaft exist for a reason. But I am considering converting to gear driven instead of chain.
This car is already a money pit and it was never even supposed to be lol.
If the chain breaks I can always swap the engine for a v10 TDI  _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, cam, heads, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'01 e46 325ci *tree modded
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP |
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borninabus  Samba R&D Dept.

Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4729 Location: Arizona Highways
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:41 am Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
For those wondering what service mode on a b5 passat looks like...
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going to do the balance shaft delete while you're at it? _________________ 88 Van WBX, A/T - 13 JSW TDI 6M/T - 2012 Touareg TDI Sport |
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AutoMechanic Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2019 Posts: 484 Location: Roanoke Virginia
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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Let’s see. I know I am a young mechanic but I’ve seen my fair share of screwups in engines. We had one customer who replaced his spark plugs and had slathered anti seize all over the threads and electrodes and had the car towed in saying I don’t know why my engine isn’t running right. I had to clean them up and properly apply anti seize. Later that same guy had the same car towed in with another father and son handy fix again with anti seize this time they replaced the PCM and slathered the anti seize all over the connections and it was acting weird cleaned them off and all good again. I told him not to use anti seize anymore on anything without my help lol. Most of the other stuff is dumb stuff I’ve seen while working in the shop like a guy burning the shop down because he was welding near gasoline and the others is a customer driving in the pit and many other things. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli

Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 13303 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:11 am Post subject: Re: The DUMBEST things you've found done to engines |
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Chickensoup wrote: |
Who who wait! That dont look like a tdi! that be a gasser? Either way, it still looks like a close fit. |
TDI, gasser, all the same. Not really any tighter than a Golf or Jetta, & you can’t remove the frame rail in the way on those. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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