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Bleyseng
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 Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:22 am Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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I had a 2004 Passat w/1.8T 5 speed manual and loved it but sold it in 2010. Recently found a cheap 2002 Audi TT Quattro w/1.8T with 5 speed, great little car. Needed lots of little maintenance, but the timing belt, clutch, radiator, brakes, tires were all new. Love it.
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ps2375
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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| Far too rare here, so rare in fact that they may as well not exist. About 2 years ago a good friend of ours searched, found and bought a new Golf wagon with a standard transmission and he was told by the dealer to enjoy it because it was the last one in Canada and there would be no more! |
Yup, a couple of years ago my brother and I were hanging out at the dealer for some reason, looking at cars and a salesman came by and asked if he could us find something. I said a car with a manual tranny. Not a single car, new or used on the whole lot with a manual tranny. |
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oprn
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:31 am Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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Far too rare here, so rare in fact that they may as well not exist. About 2 years ago a good friend of ours searched, found and bought a new Golf wagon with a standard transmission and he was told by the dealer to enjoy it because it was the last one in Canada and there would be no more!
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vwjunkie3
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:13 am Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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I'm fairly certain I've had a 1.8T 5spd passat wagon before..  |
They do exist... |
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oprn
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:19 am Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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I would love to find one but it's like looking for hen's teeth these days!
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danfromsyr
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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I'm fairly certain I've had a 1.8T 5spd passat wagon before..
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oprn
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:57 am Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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Well I missed out on that car. 
I will see what comes up next and shoot for a 1.8T or a 2.0 FSI then in a Passat wagon or an Audi A4 wagon. Too bad VW never put the standard gearbox in those.
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Butcher
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:25 am Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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Not trying to convince anyone which is better, but if the oil is at 130C and the coolant is 90C, I would suspect the oil to come out cooler. If the oil is at 60C and the coolant is at 90C, then I suspect the oil will come out warmer. Getting the oil at operating temperature sooner does not really have any drawbacks.
As for CVT's, I agree, they only came in 2WD that I know of. Good thing Audi makes a lot of Quattro's. |
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oprn
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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| I have both on my car, liquid is good for warming the oil and the air cools the oil. If the liquid coolers were bigger to give more time for heat transfer, I'd be good with that, but for the actual diff in temps between the cooling media and the liquid to be cooled, the amount of time the oil is there just doesn't seem to cool it enough for me. |
My thoughts exactly! The liquid to liquid ones are oil heaters for quick warm ups not coolers really. And that's all good but they do very little to cool the oil. Essential really on the diesels because without them the oil would rarely reach proper operating temps.
I will drop a temp probe down the dipstick hole and see what the actual running temps are before changing anything. I have no issue running synthetic, we run it now in our Jetta ALH engine.
I will avoid the CVT like the plague then! We wanted a standard transmission but those are like looking for hen's teeth now!  I am not disabled or anything... don't need a computer to find the gears for me. Funny thing, the general public is all for grinding their own coffee beans these days but not their own gears... personally I get more joy out of doing the gears. 
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:59 am Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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Oil temperature is not the problem, the problem is where the oil comes in contact with the walls of the block & cylinder head that causes the oil to burn. This only happens with conventional oil, not the synthetic.
I believe that the CVT transmission was only for front wheel drive models, I gots two of them on the floor, it was cheaper to buy whole wrecked cars than getting an engine for one.
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ps2375
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:54 am Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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| I have both on my car, liquid is good for warming the oil and the air cools the oil. If the liquid coolers were bigger to give more time for heat transfer, I'd be good with that, but for the actual diff in temps between the cooling media and the liquid to be cooled, the amount of time the oil is there just doesn't seem to cool it enough for me. |
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Butcher
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:25 am Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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As for the oil cooler, I believe the stock V6 coolers are similar but larger. With the right stand pipe, I believe it is a simple swap.
There are two camps about oil cooling. Those that love air and those that love liquid. There is no right way so pick you camp and be happy with it. |
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Butcher
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:23 am Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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Although CVT's have been out awhile [I believe the Subaru Justy had them first in the USA, mid 80's] they have improved. They are basically a throw away transmission that cannot be rebuilt. Getting a used one is not a good idea because those are probably just as bad as the one you are replacing.
It's one part in the car that will total it real quick. |
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ps2375
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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| I have to agree also. If I ever end up with one, the first mod would be an Oil Cooler w/ a thermostatic sandwich plate. |
I was thinking about that after reading that they run hot. Is there a source of sandwich plates for those engines that springs to mind? |
My current car (MKIII 2.slow) has one from a Volvo, but I'm sure there are plenty of suppliers selling good ones out there in the kits or separate. |
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ps2375
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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| What about the CVT transmission? Any issues with those? |
Don't start that. 
I'll just say I'm not a fan. Never worked on one and never plan to own one. |
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oprn
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:31 am Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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What about the CVT transmission? Any issues with those?
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:09 am Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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The FSI is an extraordinary engine…. When compared to aTSI.
The 1.8t is a far better engine.
I wouldn’t worry about the high internal temps, it helps them run more efficiently. Just keep the proper synthetic oil in it & change it out every 5,000 miles.
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oprn
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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The 2.0t FSI engine is horrible, the 09+ 2.0t TSI engine is far worse.
The FSI regularly wiped out camshafts due to driving the high pressure fuel pump with a flat tappet.
The TSI shits timing chains around 70,000 miles, and then the piston rings/pistons start their oil consumption issues starting around 50,000. 1qt oil/1,000 miles is “within spec”. |
Interesting! The German car specialist (he only works on VW, Audi, BMW and Porsche) that I have used for years and trust told me that the '06 & '07 2.0L TSI was a good one and recommended it. His sister in law had one that he serviced and it gave her 275,000 trouble free miles before it failed. Maybe different years had different issues?
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oprn
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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| I have to agree also. If I ever end up with one, the first mod would be an Oil Cooler w/ a thermostatic sandwich plate. |
I was thinking about that after reading that they run hot. Is there a source of sandwich plates for those engines that springs to mind?
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1.8T |
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The 2.0t FSI engine is horrible, the 09+ 2.0t TSI engine is far worse.
The FSI regularly wiped out camshafts due to driving the high pressure fuel pump with a flat tappet.
The TSI shits timing chains around 70,000 miles, and then the piston rings/pistons start their oil consumption issues starting around 50,000. 1qt oil/1,000 miles is “within spec”.
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