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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:55 am    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

West Marine has a price matching policy. https://boatplicity.com/10622115-caframo-757dcbbx-...3HEALw_wcB $54.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

I tried out the fan, sleeping in the van the other night and what a game changer! Caframo compact, 2-speed from West Marine.

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It came with two bases. A screw mount and a suction cup.
West Marine does sell a clamp base (@$25). In the pictures, it is suctioned to a piece of Garolite plastic.
I’ll figure out if I want a magnetic base, but probably will screw to a piece of wood or plastic that allows it to be a stand up base, or clamped in the van.

My battery solar app showed hardly any drain after running it all night.
I’ll double check it more accurately once my Victron shunt and gauge kit arrive (BMV-712).

This similar to what I bought. https://www.westmarine.com/caframo-compact-2-speed-12v-dc-fan-black-9387564.html

In our hot weather, I used it during the day pointing outside the slider onto where myself or wife was sitting, while I generated more than enough solar power.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

We have black mosquito netting that we use to cover the liftgate opening when needed. Easily installed with small earth magnets. However, if moving air is required then a fan is needed.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

Klister wrote:
Open the back hatch and pop in the original netting. Nice and cool

Maybe where you are…
Well it’s going to 99% humidity tonight where I am. And has been 93% or greater. Every. Single. Day.
Nice and cool at night is not everywhere.
( Hence this topic.)

Back on track. I just got a Carmo (spelling) fan @ West Marine and actually been using outside lately with the van with awning set-up in the front yard.

Looking forward to using it next camping trip. Also good to keep the No-see-ups away.
Last trip, I got eaten as the netting in the hatch and windows lets them through.
2 of the 3 of us in vans/trailers got eaten. The one that didn’t had a fan going all night. Lesson learned.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

msinabottle. It's all about CFM. The small vents you posted a link to are not going to allow enough air to really do anything for a stuffy interior without a very strong wind blowing. Unless you have at least 1 ½ square feet of screened opening, there won't be much difference.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:31 am    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

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I have a Caframo Sirocco mounted by the b-pillar. Similar to the other Caframo mentioned earlier, expensive, but super low draw and keeps air moving very well.

We also have a fantastic fan in the hightop, but sometimes just leave it open without the fan running and still have good airflow around the van with running the Caframo.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

I've thought about one of those RMW/Van Cafe aluminum delete plates for the driver's side rear on Winston... With a screened, lockable porthole ventilation fitting right in the middle of it. You'd have to open and close it from the outside because of the Closet/Cabinet, but at least some more of the hot air from inside the van could force its way out. Something like this:

https://www.westmarine.com/sea-dog-butterfly-vent-grille-5inchod-4-5-8inchid-594069.html

I'd want to retrofit in a bug screen. I always get a wasp when I leave an opening.

There's also this:

https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/product/product-detail/15287

Something to ponder....

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

Don't know if you have a Westy, but here are two solutions I have found work perfectly. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?

www.busdepot.com/ahg There is a tailgate in my car which allows the entire mattress to lie only on the engine deck and the tailgate. This puts our heads outside the tin near the screen and when the rear drop window is open we get full ventilation and air movement. At $69 you can't do better.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

Klister wrote:
Open the back hatch and pop in the original netting. Nice and cool


So simple, so cheap.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

Open the back hatch and pop in the original netting. Nice and cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

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p.s. Good work on sleeping on the bottom bunk the correct way. So many people get it wrong and have their heads towards the front of the van. Laughing Laughing Laughing


That would be us. Sheets stay tucked in, easier to take care of business in the middle of the night.



Yeah, this might be one of the choices that is split perfectly 50/50 among Vanagon campers. Every one has their favorite approach which best for them. Perfect.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

bobbyblack wrote:
The '88 (+) model years' rear quarter windows have a flow through cabin air "box" that replaced the last 3 inches or so of the glass. On the inside, there are maybe a dozen oval slots along the rearward edge, and a sort of septum rubber flap that allows air to flow outward from the rear, and shuts against flowing inward.


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Incidentally, I have a pair of theses vented rear windows, in great condition, for sale. Haven't posted them here, yet. Haven't posted much of anything lately, tbh.
But, if you're interested, please reach out! I could snap a few pictures. I'm in Oakland CA, but I'm happy to take them to a pack'n'ship.

EDIT: they're not in frames, but otherwise complete.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

Late to this post, but I wanted to contribute.

I regularly camp out of my Tintop, and this is my ventilation solution. It's worked out really well for me, especially in hot weather, shade-free, or insect-rich environments. I'd originally installed the rear sliders for my dogs to enjoy, but now I depend on them myself to stay comfortable.

Combining these with louvred roll-up vents for the front windows gave me pretty good cross-flow. Insects still presented a problem, though, as well as still air. I intended to make some bug sceens, like our fellow crafty folks here on Samba. Then I stumbled over these sturdy fans for server cabinets: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009CO543S?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
$40 is a bit overpriced, but what you get are high airflow fans and flat, solid metal frames.

I cut some inexpensive black 1/8" acrylic sheet to brace the fans from above and below within the window frame, and fill in the rounded corners in the frame. Then I pushed on some generic weatherstrip along the glass-facing edge. Now the window just shuts, airtight, against the fans' frame. I use them mostly to pull air out, drawing fresh air from the vents in front. But the computer fans can be quickly removed and reinstalled in the reverse on their frame, depending on whether I want them to blow air directly on me.

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They're USB powered and draw very little, maybe 0.5 amps a piece, even at top speed (there are 3). When camping in direct sun, I typically just keep them running all day off my camping battery, which is concurrently recharged by 200W of solar. Even without the reassurance of solar, I confidently run them without worrying whether there's enough for my fridge and other appliances.

And they're secure. Sometimes I just leave them there while travelling. The fans just spin away quietly while turned off, driving down the road. Then I can flip them on for my dogs if I have to leave them behind in a parking lot while I gather supplies.

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Anyway. Sorry for the TED Talk. I hope this helps!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

space wrote:
wbailey2112 wrote:
We almost always camp where "shore power" is available so we use a Fancher's Cool Cone and a small 6,000 BTU A/C with remote for easy temperature adjustments.

https://fanchers.com/store/ols/products/air-conditioner-cool-cone-74-91-bus-vanagon


There would be a Mutiny if I didnt travel with this

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I also carry a small generator in the event we dont have power


I purchased a pet screen door protector from Lowe’s and cut it down to protect the condenser fins. Just unboxing it bent a couple.

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Realizing this is not an AC topic but noticed the bent condenser fins. Was not my idea.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

wbailey2112 wrote:
We almost always camp where "shore power" is available so we use a Fancher's Cool Cone and a small 6,000 BTU A/C with remote for easy temperature adjustments.

https://fanchers.com/store/ols/products/air-conditioner-cool-cone-74-91-bus-vanagon


There would be a Mutiny if I didnt travel with this

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I also carry a small generator in the event we dont have power
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:35 am    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

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p.s. Good work on sleeping on the bottom bunk the correct way. So many people get it wrong and have their heads towards the front of the van. Laughing Laughing Laughing


That would be us. Sheets stay tucked in, easier to take care of business in the middle of the night.

Have a cheap 12 volt truck fan on a tarp clamp. We clamp it anywhere we need it. On mild nights, it gets clamped to the roof cross bar. Warmer nights, on the front table leg. Really hot nights, we are in a state park with the AC cranking. It gets clamped to the spice rack when stove is being used.

Unfortunately, the fan died on our last trip. After 4 stops ended up with an even cheaper fan from O reilly. Watching for a replacement.

I looked at the fan posted above to Amazon. They are really proud of it$$$ Looks like I could adapt it to my tarp clamp.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

Timwhy wrote:

Forgot to post the screen. It slides into the window frame and is keep in place with pressure from closing the window.

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Extra helpful! Thank you so much! Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

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Thank you! Very helpful Smile


Forgot to post the screen. It slides into the window frame and is keep in place with pressure from closing the window.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

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Do you have/would you post a picture of your rear sliding window with the fitted screen, please? Thank you!


RMW sliding window w/ screen
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Sliding door open w/ sliding window open.
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With both windows opened, still able to get a breeze thru them


Thank you! Very helpful Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Bottom bunk - ventilation while sleeping? Reply with quote

l have one of these to hold the tailgate open.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-3-8-in-x-10-1.../204273921
one of the rear sliders is on my wish list from van cafe
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