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davelarue
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 Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject: How do i mount the decklid seal? |
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| I just got a new seal for my engine lid and decklid. Do i use glue to fasten the seal to the metal? |
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Gary
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. Lay it out first, and make sure that it goes around the bottom and not the top. My friend had the decklid seal on his Ghia mounted upside down. The yellow 3M adhesive works great for this.
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lonotch
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Not to make a mess, you should mask off the surounding area for easier clean up.
BTW 3M also makes the glue in black, so if it bleeds some you don't see orange glue.
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70 140
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| There are also some locating tabs on the car. THe seal should press over these, and then have a little snap that holds it to the tab. |
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pgpghia
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| You should be using weatherstripping cement--sometimes referred to as monkey snot, due to its yellow color. |
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retrowagen
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Bear in mind that some Ghias also had two sheet metal screws with grommets to assist holding on this seal... A critical detail forgotten by most.
Also bear in mind when choosing adhesives that this application is subject to quite a bit of heat and some adhesives become virtually useless under higher heat...
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Ozzie
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Mine came in a small box all balled up. When I stretched it out, it was all kinked up. You can set it in place without glueing it, and close the decklid. After a couple of days in the sun, it should be just right. Then go to glueing with a well fitting seal. The 3M comes yellow or black. Same stuff. I use black. Be neat. Put it on both the seal & the rail your applying the seal to. Much better results when you press them together.
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Gary
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| retrowagen wrote: |
Bear in mind that some Ghias also had two sheet metal screws with grommets to assist holding on this seal... A critical detail forgotten by most.
Also bear in mind when choosing adhesives that this application is subject to quite a bit of heat and some adhesives become virtually useless under higher heat... |
In the many cars that I have parted out, this has been almost a 50/50 deal. Some had the screws holding the seal in place and some did not. In the vehicles that did not, there is no evidence of a hole having ever been drilled, let alone the seal having ever been replaced.
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Buggeroff
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I wonder why they ever saw fit to change from a simple screw to the more fragile and expensive tabs.
My 57 has screws and grommets, the ex 69 had the tabs which had snapped off due I guess to metal fatigue.
I drilled a coupl of holes and used screws instead, it really helps to prevent the seal from rolling over.
Chris.
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davelarue
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| thanks guys! I used little dots of gorilla glue. It work great! |
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retrowagen
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| davelarue wrote: |
| thanks guys! I used little dots of gorilla glue. It work great! |
After a long drive, where your engine gets rather warm, expect the seal to come off when you open the engine lid. It really needs some other, additional means (e.g., mechanical, via screws/grommets or tabs, as designed by Karmann) to keep it in place in everyday use.
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davelarue
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| 70 140 wrote: |
| There are also some locating tabs on the car. THe seal should press over these, and then have a little snap that holds it to the tab. |
Ah! Got it. Thanks. |
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davelarue
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| davelarue wrote: |
| thanks guys! I used little dots of gorilla glue. It work great! |
After a long drive, where your engine gets rather warm, expect the seal to come off when you open the engine lid. It really needs some other, additional means (e.g., mechanical, via screws/grommets or tabs, as designed by Karmann) to keep it in place in everyday use. |
k will do. thanx! |
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xzener
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:41 am Post subject: Re: How do i mount the decklid seal? |
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My initial decklid weather stripping installation has failed. Used the wrong glue (contact cement) and it peals up around the corners, and the sheet metal screws also tore through.
Does anyone have any secrets/tips for a successful second attempt? Should I cut notches for the seal around the corners? Punch a hole first for the sheet metal screw? Does anyone have pictures of there seal that has held up over the years?
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:42 am Post subject: Re: How do i mount the decklid seal? |
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My initial decklid weather stripping installation has failed. Used the wrong glue (contact cement) and it peals up around the corners, and the sheet metal screws also tore through.
Does anyone have any secrets/tips for a successful second attempt? Should I cut notches for the seal around the corners? Punch a hole first for the sheet metal screw? Does anyone have pictures of there seal that has held up over the years? |
Those seals, frankly, suck ass.
I ended up using a cut down hood seal.
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crocteau
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:42 am Post subject: Re: How do i mount the decklid seal? |
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My initial decklid weather stripping installation has failed...
Does anyone have any secrets/tips for a successful second attempt? ... Does anyone have pictures of there seal that has held up over the years? |
Sorry to hear that.
I used a fresh tube of 3M weatherstrip adhesive; first rubbed the channel and seal with a solvent (acetone) saturated rag to clean, spread the adhesive on the seal and the channel, and, now for the secret straight from the instructions: "Allow adhesive to dry until tacky but will not transfer to your knuckle when touched." I found that spring steel binder clips were useful to hold the seal in place while the adhesive finished setting up. Here's a picture of the seal on my '71 Ghia; it's holding up fine, but if you zoom in you can see I was left with a little waviness at the corners.
I reckon you could use some solid cup finish washers with the screws to help avoid the tearing issue. I was lucky that both the front and rear weatherstrip channels on my Ghia still had the original little posts at the corners and near the ends to help anchor the seal. Here's a photo with one of the anchor posts highlighted in the yellow circle.
Here's a photo of the anchor caps on my front hood seal.
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xzener
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:53 am Post subject: Re: How do i mount the decklid seal? |
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Thanks for the pictures Crocteau... I have since picked up a tube of 3M Weatherstrip Adhesive. That stuff is no joke. Messy, but extremely tacky if used correctly. I plan on using it for the new seal. I like the anchor caps. Are these something you purchased, or reused?
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crocteau
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: How do i mount the decklid seal? |
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| I like the anchor caps. Are these something you purchased, or reused? |
You're entirely welcome; you probably already know about the adhesive solvent/remover that won't damage your paint, just in case  The anchor caps came with the car, and like most parts I just cleaned them up and reused them. |
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rbsurfguy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: How do i mount the decklid seal? |
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| The anchor caps came with the car, and like most parts I just cleaned them up and reused them. |
First, your Ghia looks AWESOME!!! I don't remember ever seeing any pics of it.
As for the anchor caps, do you know what size those are? I used the 3M adhesive as well and still have those little nubs, and would definitely like to cap them. I'm sure I can find them if I search for Anchor Caps, just wanted to know if there is any way you can confirm their size.
Jeff
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crocteau
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: How do i mount the decklid seal? |
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I don't remember ever seeing any pics of it. ...
As for the anchor caps, do you know what size those are? |
Thanks, Jeff, your Ghia is shaping up to be a winner for sure! I've posted a few pics, but a photographer I'm not 
The plastic surround measures about 12 mm OD, while the five-pointed metal retainer is right on 1 cm OD. I'd imagine a place like Grainger might have something close, but I've not looked. HTH |
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