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johnnyrotten I Cure Seizures!!!

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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:53 am Post subject: Harbor Freight oven |
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Just wondering if anyone has bought the powder coating oven from harbor freight. I was thinking about doing some powder coating myself (tins, small stuff). It is like $360. Just wondering if it would be just as good to get an old used oven which would probably be cheaper.
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blankmange Type 3 Darksider

Joined: July 17, 2004 Posts: 11497 Location: Bloßer Stahl-preapocalyptic MidCoast
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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I am going to be doing some powder coating, probably starting this winter, but will be doing it in a used kitchen oven.... which is free for me...
$360 seems steep compared to just a plain, used electric oven for probably half of that or less.... _________________ póg mo thóin
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plasticman1432 Samba Member

Joined: January 19, 2004 Posts: 1180 Location: Nosebleed seats, NY
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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I got a good-sized electric oven from a neighbor when he was switching to gas....it was free. Can't beat that price, unless the HF one if much larger. _________________ Organized people are just too lazy to look for stuff
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ztnoo Samba Member

Joined: March 23, 2005 Posts: 801 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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I would suggest checking out Eastwood's site on powder coating.
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemType=CATEGORY&itemID=458
There's an interesting and informative video which may give you some ideas and possibilites you haven't thought of yet.
Click on the HotCoat Video in the middle left part of the web page.
There's even a powder coating forum at the site you might want to review:
http://forum.eastwoodco.com/forumdisplay.php?s=00676c7eb8870e2ab1e2a9ba32866855&f=9 _________________ "Here we don't have a single clock in the shop- time doesn't matter." ----Jake Raby
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eddiemoney East Coast Scavenger
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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jeremyrockjock has done some i think in a conventional oven. _________________ --------------------------------------
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Gary Person of Interest
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Eastwood thinks so much of it's products that it is reflected in the prices they charge. _________________ West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943) |
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blankmange Type 3 Darksider

Joined: July 17, 2004 Posts: 11497 Location: Bloßer Stahl-preapocalyptic MidCoast
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Icy wrote: |
Eastwood thinks so much of it's products that it is reflected in the prices they charge. |
agreed - while most of their products are high-quality, you can find similar items for lower prices elsewhere....
I have been over at Caswell Finishes, browsing their online catalogs for powder coating supplies... _________________ póg mo thóin
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ovalboy Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2004 Posts: 1312 Location: Beautiful Northern Cincinnati
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| John, I P/C all the time with the Eastwood kit in an old electric oven I got for free. Ask enough people and you'll come up with one for the same price. |
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blankmange Type 3 Darksider

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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ovalboy wrote: |
| John, I P/C all the time with the Eastwood kit in an old electric oven I got for free. Ask enough people and you'll come up with one for the same price. |
better yet, have your wife buy a new one for the kitchen and keep the old one out in the garage.... _________________ póg mo thóin
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johnnyrotten I Cure Seizures!!!

Joined: January 06, 2004 Posts: 1211 Location: Behind the security gate
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| blankmange wrote: |
| ovalboy wrote: |
| John, I P/C all the time with the Eastwood kit in an old electric oven I got for free. Ask enough people and you'll come up with one for the same price. |
better yet, have your wife buy a new one for the kitchen and keep the old one out in the garage.... |
new house, new kitchen  _________________ Enemies are friends in reverse..... G. Busey
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ovalboy Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2004 Posts: 1312 Location: Beautiful Northern Cincinnati
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| johnnyrotten wrote: |
| blankmange wrote: |
| ovalboy wrote: |
| John, I P/C all the time with the Eastwood kit in an old electric oven I got for free. Ask enough people and you'll come up with one for the same price. |
better yet, have your wife buy a new one for the kitchen and keep the old one out in the garage.... |
new house, new kitchen  |
I'm sure they have a spare oven at the hospital somewhere. Look around.  |
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TDodge7 Samba Member

Joined: October 21, 2006 Posts: 283 Location: WV
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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here is the starts of my new oven , we don't have any 220 jacks in the house so the electric oven idea is out for me . besides , you can't fit a motorcycle frame and a full set of rims in a kitchen oven .
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ztnoo Samba Member

Joined: March 23, 2005 Posts: 801 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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uuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh........just because you don't have a 220v "jack", doesn't mean you don't have 220V's.
Every modern house is supplied with 220v service.
By "jack" I would assume you mean outlet, i.e. a 50A range outlet.
Those can be added very easily, even if you need to add a new breaker to your breaker panel, or an add on fuse box for that matter.
Maybe you are uneasy around house voltage, but it isn't a big deal.
Don't let not having a "jack" scare you off using a kitchen range for smaller stuff.
btw...how do you intend to fire that old fuel oil tank?......and more importantly maintain a constant set temperature for a fixed amount of time?????
That's very critical for proper curing of a powder coated surface.
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"The government cannot give to anyone anything that it does not first take from someone else."
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TDodge7 Samba Member

Joined: October 21, 2006 Posts: 283 Location: WV
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| the wiring in this house sucks , it's also from the 50's . to use my welder on the biggest breaker in the house i still have to turn a bunch of stuff off . on the big oven we're going to use a propane burner with a blower and run car exhaust tubing thru the tank (think vw heater) , we'll have to do some trial and error to get the temp constant but i'm sure we can handle it . i build most of my specialty tools out of random crap , this is just another tool . |
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Gary Person of Interest
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| a68veedub wrote: |
| the wiring in this house sucks , it's also from the 50's . to use my welder on the biggest breaker in the house i still have to turn a bunch of stuff off . on the big oven we're going to use a propane burner with a blower and run car exhaust tubing thru the tank (think vw heater) , we'll have to do some trial and error to get the temp constant but i'm sure we can handle it . i build most of my specialty tools out of random crap , this is just another tool . |
Sounds like you better upgrade the electrical to the house or you're going to burn it to the ground. _________________ West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943) |
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Pinky Samba Ass Bandit

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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| a68veedub wrote: |
| the wiring in this house sucks , it's also from the 50's . to use my welder on the biggest breaker in the house i still have to turn a bunch of stuff off . on the big oven we're going to use a propane burner with a blower and run car exhaust tubing thru the tank (think vw heater) , we'll have to do some trial and error to get the temp constant but i'm sure we can handle it . i build most of my specialty tools out of random crap , this is just another tool . |
Check out plans on gas forges and they may give you some inspiration-
http://www.anvilfire.com/
-GREAT blacksmithing site. They should have a bunch of stuff on gas forges. |
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blankmange Type 3 Darksider

Joined: July 17, 2004 Posts: 11497 Location: Bloßer Stahl-preapocalyptic MidCoast
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:00 am Post subject: |
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from what I have been reading, a gas-fired oven (unless it's a professional/industrial oven) is a bad idea for two reasons: the heat/temp will fluctuate too much, and some powders emit volatile gas when they cure... _________________ póg mo thóin
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The Sage Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:49 am Post subject: |
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You can fit two rims in a normal oven.
We use one, it works great. Also, if you find a dishwasher, they are handy too. _________________ Feel My Pain l Sage Ad World |
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TDodge7 Samba Member

Joined: October 21, 2006 Posts: 283 Location: WV
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| blankmange wrote: |
| from what I have been reading, a gas-fired oven (unless it's a professional/industrial oven) is a bad idea for two reasons: the heat/temp will fluctuate too much, and some powders emit volatile gas when they cure... |
there won't be any open flame in the oven , like i said , think vw heater , the fire will be inside the exhaust pipe that snakes thru the bottom of the oven , then the exhaust exits the oven . like a big heat exchanger . we'll have to put some oven thermometers in there and keep an eye on them to find the sweet spot for 450 degrees but with some trial and error i'm sure we'll get it . and if it ends up not working we got all this stuff for free so no big deal . the main thing is i work on ALOT of motorcycles and all the painters around here want atleast a grand to paint just a frame , i'll be damned if i'm going to give some guy $1000 to point a gun at a motorcycle frame for 5 minutes . |
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BrockGrimes Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Look into a convection setup.
It'll circulate the heat within the oven and
help keep it at a constant temp.
My brother built a square box like a giant pizza box.
And used those H burners you buy at wallyworld for
bbq grills. The burners are mounted outside under
the box. Turn on all 4 burners then adjust to get it to temp.
Works great.
Just some info:
Convection ovens or fan ovens augment a traditional oven by circulating heated air using a high temperature fan. Food warms faster in a convection oven since the moving air strips away the thin layer of air which otherwise would surround and insulate the food.
By moving hot air past the food, convection ovens can operate at a lower temperature than a standard conventional oven and they can cook food more quickly. The air circulation, or convection, tends to eliminate "hot spots" and thus bake more evenly.
Another form of a convection oven is the commercial impingement oven. This type of oven is often used to cook pizzas in restaurants. Impingement ovens have a high flow rate of hot air from both above and below the food. The air flow is directed onto food which usually passes through the oven on a conveyor belt. Air flow rates can range between 1-5 m/s. Impingement ovens can achieve a much higher heat transfer than a conventional oven.
Check craigslist.org people give ovens away for free all the time. _________________ Selling the SB:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=557335 |
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