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Sevnty4Baja
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OK so I found stock x 1 trailing arms on Moore parts for $279 shipped to my door. My question is.... is that a good deal and are they reasonable quality arms? And can I use my type 1 stub axles for the time being or do I have to buy type 2, or 930 stub axles? I would love to hear some answers guys! Thanks!
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77charger
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I am using them and they seem to be good for the money.They will use the stock type 1 stubs. and have the clearance for 930 sized stubs too.(type 1 converted to 930 uses the same shaft size as type1 but a larger flange.They appear to be the same as the 3x3s you commonly see for sale except these are only one inch longer vs stock.
I went with these so i can fit car into my trailer i have 1 inch of clearance on each side so its tight.Your axle length will not change for these arms too.
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Sevnty4Baja
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Yeah I just want these arms because I cant afford 3x3s and I want to run any 31x12.5 inch tire without rubbing my torsion tube, so cool Im gonna order them up! Thanks 
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77charger
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Vdublubajaman87 wrote: |
| Yeah I just want these arms because I cant afford 3x3s and I want to run any 31x12.5 inch tire without rubbing my torsion tube, so cool Im gonna order them up! Thanks |
I dont think theres much of a price difference for me it came down to trailer fitting.
If i get another set of arms its going to be stock by 3s
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bajahucks
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I went with these so i can fit car into my trailer i have 1 inch of clearance on each side so its tight.Your axle length will not change for these arms too.[/quote]
so with stock x 1 you can run your stock axles?????????? |
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runslikeapenguin
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| bajahucks wrote: |
| I went with these so i can fit car into my trailer i have 1 inch of clearance on each side so its tight.Your axle length will not change for these arms too. |
so with stock x 1 you can run your stock axles??????????[/quote]
that's what i want to know. can someone confirm this?
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HamburgerBrad
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I would think you could run the stock axles if you had a bus transmission.
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Green bug Guy
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Your axle length will not change for these arms too.
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they will change (not the langth but the style of axle) if you use 930s... you need the longer spline on the axle for the thicker cv's.. if you dont you wont be able to put the C clip on the ends of the axles!! that and they have a diferent spline pattern. |
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Sevnty4Baja
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Im using bus cv's at the tranny, and bug cv's at the stub axle with stock length axles, at least thats what Ive done on my rail. But I took everything out of my rail put it in my 74, and now Im going to run those stock by one arms so I can fit my 31x12.5 Pro comp mud terrains. Hopefully I wont need longer axles!
If the bearings in my stock arms are good can I just repack them and put them in the new arms? If so the only thing I should have to buy would be new seals?
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Green bug Guy
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| you can if you need to.. id say buy new ones because it would save you a lot of work.. but if they look like they are in good shape when you pull them id say ya just repack them and your good to go. |
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zmotojason
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| Stock x 1 are typically used in 5-1600 and 1/2-1600 cars as the rules dictate that wheelbase must remain with +/- 1" for these classes. I have a set of Stock x 1 arms that came on a retired racer and the axle length appears to be stock. |
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Sevnty4Baja
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Cool guys, sounds like things should work the way I want them too, I appreiciate everyones help. I think a lot of vdub people might be scrathchin there heads if the samba didnt exist!
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bajaherbie
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| Stock x 1 are typically used in 5-1600 and 1/2-1600 cars as the rules dictate that wheelbase must remain with +/- 1" for these classes. I have a set of Stock x 1 arms that came on a retired racer and the axle length appears to be stock. |
i bought my stock x 1" arms, thing drums and 930 300m drive axles from a guy in aridzona that took them off of a 1/2 1600 car. good deals can be found in thesamba classifieds if you look long enough.
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77charger
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havent caught this in a while but when i ran my type1 trans with the arms you mentioned i used the thing axles cause i was running type 4 cvs.
But one prob i noticed later was that the splines on these axles isnt long enough.The axle length is fine but when the trailing arm is at level with the flanges on the trans there is no movement on the axle cause the stars in the cvs are against the stops on the axles.
I know some will flame me for saying this but this was my experience and it took a couple of broken cv stars to figure this out even though according to part listings this is the coorect set up!.IMO you always need check for axle movement at the shortest distance(trailing arm stub axle and trans flanges)if there is movement to 1/2 inch you are ok.NO MOVEMENT you will have probs.
Turns out my axle length was fine but the splines werent long enough to let the cvs slide inwards enough putting pressure on the cv cages.
On my 002 swap i needed 16 inch axles the called for 15 5/8 were going to be too short and bad at full droop.bought 16 1/4 and had trimmed down
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perrib
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havent caught this in a while but when i ran my type1 trans with the arms you mentioned i used the thing axles cause i was running type 4 cvs.
But one prob i noticed later was that the splines on these axles isnt long enough.The axle length is fine but when the trailing arm is at level with the flanges on the trans there is no movement on the axle cause the stars in the cvs are against the stops on the axles.
I know some will flame me for saying this but this was my experience and it took a couple of broken cv stars to figure this out even though according to part listings this is the coorect set up!.IMO you always need check for axle movement at the shortest distance(trailing arm stub axle and trans flanges)if there is movement to 1/2 inch you are ok.NO MOVEMENT you will have probs.
Turns out my axle length was fine but the splines werent long enough to let the cvs slide inwards enough putting pressure on the cv cages.
On my 002 swap i needed 16 inch axles the called for 15 5/8 were going to be too short and bad at full droop.bought 16 1/4 and had trimmed down |
I made home made 1" longer trailing arms and the cvs would lock up when the Baja was jacked up and trailing arms on the stops when turn the wheel by hand. Never went off road but I bet they would of broken if I had. I never tried it at full compresed. It was street/show only ,never went off road but I bet they would of broken if I had. |
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