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mikebarnes Samba Member

Joined: April 23, 2016 Posts: 6 Location: Texas
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:32 pm Post subject: Stock Coil or Flame-Thrower II 45K, .6 ohm |
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[i]I am hoping for advice in regards to a new coil for my Type 1. I have '74 Super Beetle stock engine with a Empi 2 stage progressive carb and electronic distributor and stock coil. Would like to replace my current coil with a Flame-Thrower II, 45k Volts, .6 ohm, Oil Filled coil. Will this Flame-Thrower II be good or bad for my bug? I appreciate all the good advice on this site and hope one of you can assist me...thx, mike
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mikewilkinson007 Samba Member

Joined: October 26, 2016 Posts: 554 Location: Nebraska
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Coil or Flame-Thrower II 45K, .6 ohm |
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Check the specs on your ignition set up. Some kits require certain coils with certain ohms etc. You could fry it easily if you don't know the correct resistance. _________________ 72 Super - Marina Blue
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Danwvw Samba Member

Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8895 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Coil or Flame-Thrower II 45K, .6 ohm |
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I think those are meant to be used with a Pertronix Igniter module. With point's you want a 3-4 ohm coil. The thing about those coils is they have less primary wire in them and that jacks up the voltage but the current is not as good. _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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JKLNHYD Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2007 Posts: 260 Location: Pasadena, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:09 am Post subject: Re: Stock Coil or Flame-Thrower II 45K, .6 ohm |
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Find the manufacturers website for your new electronic distributor and see what coil they recommend for the distributor that you bought. I read that standard plug wires will disrupt the electronics in an electronic distributor so find out what they recommend for those also.
Use Pertronix Igniter I distributor with Flame Thrower I coil.
Use Pertronix Igniter II distributor with Flame Thrower II coil.
Use Pertronix Igniter III distributor with Flame Thrower III coil.
You also need to use the Pertronix Flame Thrower spark plug wires. |
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sawed off Samba Member
Joined: September 15, 2016 Posts: 428 Location: Idaho
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:25 am Post subject: Re: Stock Coil or Flame-Thrower II 45K, .6 ohm |
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I have compufire elect ignition kit in my distributor. I used the cb performance magna coil, and had to wire in series a resistor. The compufire ignition mod needed at least 3 ohms. |
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cletus_zuber Samba Member

Joined: January 08, 2010 Posts: 2475 Location: Gladstone, Ore
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Stock Coil or Flame-Thrower II 45K, .6 ohm |
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JKLNHYD wrote: |
Find the manufacturers website for your new electronic distributor and see what coil they recommend for the distributor that you bought. I read that standard plug wires will disrupt the electronics in an electronic distributor so find out what they recommend for those also.
Use Pertronix Igniter I distributor with Flame Thrower I coil.
Use Pertronix Igniter II distributor with Flame Thrower II coil.
Use Pertronix Igniter III distributor with Flame Thrower III coil.
You also need to use the Pertronix Flame Thrower spark plug wires. |
I don't know.. I just replaced my points with a module, years ago, don't remember if it was a 1, 2 or 3, threw away the package. Didn't change the blue coil or the stock type bosch wires, it's fine. _________________ 1972 1302
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ashman40 Samba Member

Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 16573 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Stock Coil or Flame-Thrower II 45K, .6 ohm |
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As mentioned, your coil primary resistance needs to match the requirements of your distributor trigger (points or electronic points).
The typical canister coil probably doesn't care what its primary resistance is. As long as it gets a signal (OPEN/CLOSE primary field) from the points it will fire a spark. Though, higher resistance in the primary circuit means less current there which translates into less current in the secondary. If you want the best spark, you want the lowest resistance in the primary windings.
The reason for HIGHER resistance in the primary windings of the coil (or resistance from an external ballast resistor) is to REDUCE the current passing thru the coil reaching the points/electronic module. This is done to prevent arcing or reduce overheating/overloading. This is why the distributor/points/module dictates the needed coil resistance. Stock points need 3-4 ohms to prevent premature arcing at the point contacts from too much current.
The Igniter II/III modules were designed to make use of lower resistance in the coil primary to ideally get a better spark from the coil.
The coils listed as producing greater secondary voltage can do it one of two ways.... fewer windings in the primary (cheaper as less wire is used)... or increase the number of secondary windings (more expensive since more wire is needed and the physical coil size may increase). It is the ratio of primary to secondary windings that determine the multiplied voltage in the secondary (unless you use a CDI ignition which is a whole different principle.) _________________ AshMan40
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