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max cheuk
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Do all of you have any clues to explain why this VW logo on the barndoor deluxe pod is different? The usual VW logo should have a space between "V" & "W" but this one has on space between them. Is this a variation in the whole production period from 1951-1955? Kindly shed new light on it. Many thanks, Max  |
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RockStock
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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Yes, it looks like there was an early (51-52) and a late version (53-55) badge.
Early version badge, as above, has no gap.
Late version has the gap.
The extremely original Hornbecker Deluxe (Jan 52) has the no-gap badge.
I have seen a picture of an original 51 with a no-gap badge too.
Change looks like it happened in later 1952.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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Are they the same as early beetle hood emblems
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max cheuk
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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| Many thanks RockStock for the clues. I had thought this was an inappropriate plaque made by unofficial manufacturers as the logo just did not comply with the vw corporate logo even the pre-war ones |
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max cheuk
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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Thanks a million again for the illustration and threads. Really appreciate 
As for the whole vw badge pod, am i correct to say it must be come from barndoor deluxe bus; as i've never seen this logo pod on any split beetles. Kindly correct me if I am wrong.  |
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RockStock
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:28 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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| Am i correct to say it must be come from barndoor deluxe bus; as i've never seen this logo pod on any split beetles |
I'd say the indications are that it is from a Barndoor Deluxe, unless anyone can tell me different.
I think the badge base is unique to barndoor deluxe (or any barndoor fitted with the dash as an optional extra).
The badge base being sealing wax red is another clue.
The badge (and probably the ivory pod surround?) is probably shared with split beetle.
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Wolfsburg Classics
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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The pod and the location of the mounting tabs is different to split being at 10 & 5 o'clock locations..so I think Barndoor specific?
The central VW logo is a carry over from Split Beetle and I think 51 Deluxe used the no gap emblem and all other years used the gapped version.
Something is up with the one above though as it should be solid under the Emblem and has three holes to allow the tabs from the Emblem to fit through and bent over.
The one in the pic looks as though the middle has been cut out and that mounting bracket certainly not original.
In my adds you will see better pics of what they should look like..copied from an original. |
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RockStock
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:16 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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Still got just the one left?
I'm thinking the badge tabs have broken off, so they have devised another method of attaching the badge - by cutting a hole in the badge base, fitting studs to the badge, and then adding that crossbar.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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| Still got just the one left? |
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Wolfsburg Classics
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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Yes in fact I do only have one left,out of my personal collection that I will let go as I have no desire nor can see me owning a Barndoor Deluxe again.
Glad I did these as I helped out just under 40 Barndoor Deluxe owners out who needed one that were previously unobtanium,including you Rob!
....so now there is a few more buses out there that little closer to completeness. |
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mr. warehouse
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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Who makes, or has a nice solid gap emblem for a '54? |
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VWdilemma
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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| For Volkswagen to make a no-gapped logo makes no sense. All of these are reproductions. The VW logo was officially patented in 1948. The first appearance of the hood emblem on Beetles was 1949. Why would they make the first ones with letters seamlessly connected after they just patented the gapped logo? Even the owners manuals from 1949 have the gapped emblem sketched into the phantom view diagram. Also this theory about them being “left-overs from past times” doesn’t hold water either. The fist bus was 1950. Where else have this type of emblems been found? What model? Where on the car? So “left-over” from where? When? Everyone thinking they are in possession of an original emblem that is connected has been fooled. And everyone who is making these emblems now are perpetuating the false theory that they were ever connected. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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| VWdilemma wrote: |
| For Volkswagen to make a no-gapped logo makes no sense. All of these are reproductions. The VW logo was officially patented in 1948. The first appearance of the hood emblem on Beetles was 1949. Why would they make the first ones with letters seamlessly connected after they just patented the gapped logo? Even the owners manuals from 1949 have the gapped emblem sketched into the phantom view diagram. Also this theory about them being “left-overs from past times” doesn’t hold water either. The fist bus was 1950. Where else have this type of emblems been found? What model? Where on the car? So “left-over” from where? When? Everyone thinking they are in possession of an original emblem that is connected has been fooled. And everyone who is making these emblems now are perpetuating the false theory that they were ever connected. |
Knock yourself out on this thread
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...p;start=20
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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| VWdilemma wrote: |
| For Volkswagen to make a no-gapped logo makes no sense. All of these are reproductions. The VW logo was officially patented in 1948. The first appearance of the hood emblem on Beetles was 1949. Why would they make the first ones with letters seamlessly connected after they just patented the gapped logo? Even the owners manuals from 1949 have the gapped emblem sketched into the phantom view diagram. Also this theory about them being “left-overs from past times” doesn’t hold water either. The fist bus was 1950. Where else have this type of emblems been found? What model? Where on the car? So “left-over” from where? When? Everyone thinking they are in possession of an original emblem that is connected has been fooled. And everyone who is making these emblems now are perpetuating the false theory that they were ever connected. |
Knock yourself out on this thread
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...p;start=20 |
Yes I’ve read all the related threads on this. Numerous images of a connected logo doesn’t prove they are officially made. They are simply numerous images of reproductions. I’ve been back and forth with Volkswagen who have on two occasions officially stated that there was never an ‘official’ production of connected logos. This is from the Volkswagen heritage department in Wolfsburg, after consulting with Archie experts there. Now, that’s just confirmation. But it’s actually not needed because the evidence has been there all along. You ostensibly haven’t comprehended my comment. Think about it. Do the calculations, draw a timeline and apply some logic. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:09 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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are you saying that all the original condition patina cars/busses have had their badges replaced with repros...?
or are you saying that the first ('unofficial') badges were put on by dealers back in the day?
if you're going by the patent and ghosted view then there should be examples of 49 - 50 cars with split logos from the start...
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:49 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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are you saying that all the original condition patina cars/busses have had their badges replaced with repros...?
or are you saying that the first ('unofficial') badges were put on by dealers back in the day?
if you're going by the patent and ghosted view then there should be examples of 49 - 50 cars with split logos from the start... |
That’s my claim. All the credible evidence points to reproductions, and only anecdotal (i.e. hopeful/sentimental) evidence points to original badges. If you know any original owners who bought a brand new 1949-50 beetle and can prove its emblems untouched lineage, or if you can definitively prove there’s never been a 49-50 car with a gapped logo, then let me know. I’d love to go back to VW with that evidence. Until then, I’ll go with what’s logical based on the evidence. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 4:47 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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it's not my job to prove it - it's your theory to prove, perhaps vw even. if vw say they're unofficial - and that term needs clarifying - have they officially stated that they never fitted them at the factory?
there are many instances where what would be logical doesn't happen - human error creeps in. I can believe that somebody had arranged for thousands of logos to be stamped before somebody pointed out it wasn't quite as per the patent...
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor VW logo pod |
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it's not my job to prove it - it's your theory to prove, perhaps vw even. if vw say they're unofficial - and that term needs clarifying - have they officially stated that they never fitted them at the factory?
there are many instances where what would be logical doesn't happen - human error creeps in. I can believe that somebody had arranged for thousands of logos to be stamped before somebody pointed out it wasn't quite as per the patent... |
You’ve got that the wrong way around. It’s a ‘theory’ that they ever produced and used the wrong logo. It’s on you to prove it. I’m pointing out the strong evidence against that theory. Maybe someone did arrange for logos to be made connected by mistake. But again, that’s on you to prove that theory if you believe it. If you want specific clarification on wording then there’s nothing stopping you (or anyone else) from contacting VW and asking. |
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