| Author |
Message |
Maxoceanblue
Samba Member
Joined: June 27, 2013
Posts: 429
Location: Pensacola, FL
|
 Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:33 pm Post subject: carb soak in Pinesol |
 |
|
I'm thinking of doing a carb rebuild. I already have the kit. I've heard soaking it in Pinesol is useful in getting it clean. Is this a good idea?
I've been having trouble getting it to idle, I've owned this car for four years and don't know how old this carb is so I figured it wouldn't hurt to do a good cleaning on it.
I've read not to soap plastic in the Pinesol. Is there plastic on this carb I should know about?
I haven't even opened it up yet so don't know if it even needs a soaking.
34PICT4
_________________
1964 Beetle Sedan/1600cc DP 12v converted |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
67rustavenger
Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015
Posts: 11086
Location: Oregon
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
I use diluted pinesol(1/4th cup to 8 cups hot water) in my ultrasonic cleaner on carbs and fuel pumps. They don't come out shiny but pretty clean. Once the parts have been in the Jacuzzi. I rinse then in hot water and blow dry with compressed air from a compressor, not a can. Then do a final cleanup with a solvent of my choice. Your never gonna get it completely clean in an ultrasonic cleaner.
There is a poster here that uses lemon juice (citric acid) diluted in water to clean parts. But he keeps that ratio of juice to water and closely held secret. When his parts are cleaned they have a nice sheen on the cast allow metal.
Good Luck.
_________________
I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo!
2003 Astrovan? GFYS again, Xevin! 
Don't let your bad ideas remain, ideas!
Last edited by 67rustavenger on Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:46 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Danwvw
Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012
Posts: 8895
Location: Oregon Coast
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
Some of the PICT 34's have plastic bushings around the throttle shafts. You could just use some detergent mixed with water. Something they sell at NAPA like Super Clean or some de-greaser.
_________________
1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Maxoceanblue
Samba Member
Joined: June 27, 2013
Posts: 429
Location: Pensacola, FL
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
That's what I'm concerned about, the plastic bushings. This is my first time opening a carburetor so I may do a partial tear down. I have carb cleaner. I'm just looking to clean out passages and remove any debris, if any exists.
Thanks
_________________
1964 Beetle Sedan/1600cc DP 12v converted |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
67rustavenger
Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015
Posts: 11086
Location: Oregon
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
A word of caution is in order.
I tried diluted "Purple Power" in the ultrasonic cleaner this weekend on a new part that had a nice shiny finish. When the Jacuzzi had completed it's cycle. I pulled a dull part from the hot tub. I was disappointed to say the least. It was dull like it had been exposed to the elements for many years. I ran it again and was amazed that the diluted "Pinesol" solution had cleaned up the part. But I'll never get the shine back on it without polishing it.
Be careful what you use for a cleaner.
| Danwvw wrote: |
Some of the PICT 34's have plastic bushings around the throttle shafts. You could just use some detergent mixed with water. Something they sell at NAPA like Super Clean or some de-greaser.
|
_________________
I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo!
2003 Astrovan? GFYS again, Xevin!
Don't let your bad ideas remain, ideas! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tasb
The Distributor Distributor
Joined: April 27, 2002
Posts: 6758
Location: Pentwater, Michigan
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
| 67rustavenger wrote: |
I use diluted pinesol(1/4th cup to 8 cups hot water) in my ultrasonic cleaner on carbs and fuel pumps. They don't come out shiny but pretty clean. Once the parts have been in the Jacuzzi. I rinse then in hot water and blow dry with compressed air from a compressor, not a can. Then do a final cleanup with a solvent of my choice. Your never gonna get it completely clean in an ultrasonic cleaner.
There is a poster here that uses lemon juice (citric acid) diluted in water to clean parts. But he keeps that ratio of juice to water and closely held secret. When his parts are cleaned they have a nice sheen on the cast allow metal.
Good Luck. |
Gotta cry foul here,
I've never kept it a secret. I heat the juice in a hot pot rather than an ultrasonic cleaner. I do not dilute the lemon juice with water. The distributors do come out with a clean dull finish that requires a bit of work with some extra fine steel wool to return a nice sheen. It doesn't work so well with carburetors because it's hard to get the steel wool into all the little nooks and crannies of a carburetor. A dremmel would help.
_________________
Roads Scholar
1957 Kombi low mileage 36 hp governor equipped M 178 Slow Drag Winner 2014, 2015, 2018
1965 hardtop Deluxe Microbus owned since 1990 M 620 factory 12 v 1500cc
1961 (October)Single Cab- Road Trip Workhorse
Member# 2059 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
67rustavenger
Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015
Posts: 11086
Location: Oregon
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
| tasb wrote: |
[b]Gotta cry foul here[/b],
I've never kept it a secret. I heat the juice in a hot pot rather than an ultrasonic cleaner. I do not dilute the lemon juice with water. |
Ok, thanks for that. I'm not trying to single you out tasb.
I know that you and glenn do dist restorations and are very good at it.
I'm pretty sure that someone once asked what ratio of critic acid to water you used. You didn't want to divulge what it was at the time I read that.
I'm not trying to offend anyone here.
_________________
I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo!
2003 Astrovan? GFYS again, Xevin!
Don't let your bad ideas remain, ideas! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Danwvw
Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012
Posts: 8895
Location: Oregon Coast
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
Yeah, it will discolor zinc and some other metals like mag. I just use it quickly with gloves and a tooth brush and then rinse it off and dry the parts. Works ok on head chambers and piston tops though, you can soak them overnight in it to eat out the carbon.
_________________
1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pb_foots
Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2010
Posts: 1089
Location: Ben Lomond, CA
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:21 am Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
Why wouldn't you just use a gallon can of Berryman's with the dip basket?
_________________
| sjbartnik wrote: |
| Engines get hot. They have fire inside. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Helfen
Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009
Posts: 3481
Location: Vulcania
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
txoval
Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004
Posts: 3842
Location: The Woodlands, TX
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:23 am Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
I would not use Pinesol...if you do, you better be sure you have completely rinsed it out and dried it. It will crystalize in the small ports and is impossible to clean out later...ask me how I know
I ruined a set of old Italian IDF power jets this way. Even soaking and boiling will not remove the pinesol residue |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
KTPhil 
Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006
Posts: 35900
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:48 am Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
| pb_foots wrote: |
| Why wouldn't you just use a gallon can of Berryman's with the dip basket? |
I use that but keep in mind it dissolves plastic and rubber parts. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Erik G
Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002
Posts: 13546
Location: Tejas!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Helfen
Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009
Posts: 3481
Location: Vulcania
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:13 am Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
| Erik G wrote: |
| Berryman's is some nasty shit - I've used it and it works but I hate to do so. How do you dispose of it properly? |
Look on the MSDS information that comes with it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Cusser
Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006
Posts: 33086
Location: Hot Arizona
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:20 am Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
I just used good old carburetor cleaner from O'Reilly or Autozone, gallon size, came with a little basket, and soaked in that. Don't forget to pull out the two tiny stainless steel balls, and don't lose those !!!
_________________
1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Erik G
Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002
Posts: 13546
Location: Tejas!
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
| Helfen wrote: |
| Erik G wrote: |
| Berryman's is some nasty shit - I've used it and it works but I hate to do so. How do you dispose of it properly? |
Look on the MSDS information that comes with it. |
no kidding
"Dispose of contents/container in accordance with local, regional, national, and international regulations, as applicable"
So again - how do you dispose of it properly
_________________
Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
EMPIImp69
Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2006
Posts: 3389
Location: Dirty Jersey
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
| Erik G wrote: |
| Helfen wrote: |
| Erik G wrote: |
| Berryman's is some nasty shit - I've used it and it works but I hate to do so. How do you dispose of it properly? |
Look on the MSDS information that comes with it. |
no kidding
"Dispose of contents/container in accordance with local, regional, national, and international regulations, as applicable"
So again - how do you dispose of it properly |
Don't dispose of it...you can use it over and over again.
_________________
1963 Ragtop Bug
1966 Vert Bug
Check out my ads, Thanks! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Helfen
Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009
Posts: 3481
Location: Vulcania
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
| Erik G wrote: |
| Helfen wrote: |
| Erik G wrote: |
| Berryman's is some nasty shit - I've used it and it works but I hate to do so. How do you dispose of it properly? |
Look on the MSDS information that comes with it. |
no kidding
"Dispose of contents/container in accordance with local, regional, national, and international regulations, as applicable"
So again - how do you dispose of it properly |
The cities where I have lived and worked all have a day about once or twice a year that they collect hazmat waste to get rid of this and other stuff. Call your city or county and ask. It's in our local paper, on the local radio and TV stations and in the case of where I live they mail residents a flyer when the day will be.
I recently had to change my five gallon bucket for a new one because the stuff ate the bottom out of the can. As said before you can use this stuff over and over and my batch was about ten years old before I had to change the can. Even after ten years and many many carbs and fuel pumps it's still good. I just recently cleaned a Q jet for one of my touring cars and it came out super clean.
FYI don't get this stuff on your skin unless you want what appears to be a severe case of sunburn and skin peeling that goes along with it. Use rubber gloves that are made for this stuff and don't use mechanic's surgical gloves because it eats them very fast.
Oil base paints, solvents, cleaners and thinners are blended into fuel mixtures used at facilities such as cement kilns or also used in boilers in ships etc.
Last edited by Helfen on Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:07 pm; edited 2 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tasb
The Distributor Distributor
Joined: April 27, 2002
Posts: 6758
Location: Pentwater, Michigan
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
Unless I'm mistaken Pinesol is based on pine tree sap and if you think of nature dried sap you can see that it would dry crystaline. When I started restoring distributors I used Berryman's. Not only did it give me headache left the parts with a strong odor you could smell an open can of the stuff for half a block. I love life too much to use the stuff regularly. I kept my can for about 8 years before disposing of it on our county hazmat day. Like your garbage you can never really "throw it way". The chemical industry mixes acids and bases until it's close to neutral and then they turn it into drinking water for you and me! 
_________________
Roads Scholar
1957 Kombi low mileage 36 hp governor equipped M 178 Slow Drag Winner 2014, 2015, 2018
1965 hardtop Deluxe Microbus owned since 1990 M 620 factory 12 v 1500cc
1961 (October)Single Cab- Road Trip Workhorse
Member# 2059 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Maxoceanblue
Samba Member
Joined: June 27, 2013
Posts: 429
Location: Pensacola, FL
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: carb soak in Pinesol |
|
|
I'll stay away from the pinesol then, thanks. I'll just stick with standard carb cleaner. I haven't opened it up yet, waiting until the weekend. Unless the bowl looks cruddy I won't soak it. I'm just looking to clear the passages and exchange O-rings and gaskets.
When I put it back together do I need to refill the bowl with gas before trying to start the car for the first time or will that occur automatically?
_________________
1964 Beetle Sedan/1600cc DP 12v converted |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
