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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

Bringing this to the top.
I'm trying to research the correct colors for a 52 Azure blue deluxe zwitter.
Looking through the gallery and searching posts there are lots of things that may not be correct/ original.
Shifter knob/ door handle knob/ dash knobs
Steering wheel and tube
Shifter and base
What I have gathered is that a deluxe zwitter would have had L71 with ivory knobs, unless it's Azure blue. In which case it would have grey. But of course there are conflicting pictures and info..
Any help is appreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

esde wrote:
Bringing this to the top.
I'm trying to research the correct colors for a 52 Azure blue deluxe zwitter.
Looking through the gallery and searching posts there are lots of things that may not be correct/ original.
Shifter knob/ door handle knob/ dash knobs
Steering wheel and tube
Shifter and base
What I have gathered is that a deluxe zwitter would have had L71 with ivory knobs, unless it's Azure blue. In which case it would have grey. But of course there are conflicting pictures and info..
Any help is appreciated.
SD


*update*
after receiving some emails and messages back from people that know more about this, and being sent some pictures of original cars, I have the following:
Azure blue zwitters had:
Grey shift knob, handle, and base
Grey seat frames
Ivory dash knobs, window winder knobs, and heater knob
I am still stuck on the steering wheel and tube. There is a picture here of a late 51 deluxe, Azure blue and it has a grey steering wheel. I've read and been told that the Azure zwitter had a beige wheel and tube. I actually like the look of the beige wheel, so unless I get conflicting info thats what I'll do. Does anyone know what the paint code for that beige is?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:46 am    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

sled wrote:
that book is a very poor source of information...


Ha, ha - you have mentioned that to me before - is a great source, but has some errors and once corrected - it'll be one of the best sources, available - in the mean time we'll rely on your expertise - z
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

so, what color does this steering wheel appear to be?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

esde wrote:
so, what color does this steering wheel appear to be?
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Well, ivory, but compared to the ivory horn button, appears to be a light gray steering wheel - as i recall, Azure type one interiors and steering wheels were a different shade/color than others, of the same year - my correcting-notes in Car of the Century says L278, gray-beige- your armrest appears to be red, for sure - z
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

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my correcting-notes in Car of the Century says L278, gray-beige


I've searched all of the paint threads I could find here, and haven't found a paint formula or chip for the L278 grey-beige.
I did find several threads that say it is and isn't the same as L472 beige-grey
I'll try the local Glasurit/BASF dealer to see if they have an answer..
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

I've been doing a bit of digging trying to figure some of these interior colors out, and it seems there are a lot of inconsistencies in what I find. I've edited this to delete my previous post that wasn't very clear.
I did ask Marcus (beetlekey) what he knew about the paint color for an Azure zwitter, and he said the VW color was very close to RAL 7036 which is platinum grey. Still, I'm curious to figure out what was on this car, so I've kept looking.
I've read that L71 and L278 were used as interior colors up until mid 1953, but not for the Azure cars. I've also been told that Azure car interior paint was L275 or L278. The 1959 VW lacquer book shows that L275 light beige was supposedly used from 1/54 to 2/55 so maybe not, but the color looks right (very grey depending on the lighting).
https://karmannghia.org/paint_chips/start_6.gif
Sadly, the book doesn't list L278 as the later updates have been lost. I cannot find a good chip or color picture of L278 grey beige anywhere.
The original column tube for my 52 zwitter was spray painted and then blasted bare, but a little of the original paint remained on top and under the rubber grommet
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Here it is compared to the steering tube that came from a 55 I parted out, looks to be possibly the same color. Based on this I think it's possible the steering tube on my car may have been painted the same color as found in a later 54/55 car, the L275 light beige.
https://karmannghia.org/paint_chips/laq_8.gif
It also looks close to L75 light beige (hell beige)
https://karmannghia.org/paint_chips/laq_4.gif
but that's a type 2 bus color, according to the book.
https://karmannghia.org/paint_chips/start_4.gif
I contacted Temple paints in Cali, and they have the match for L275 in a spray can, and sent me several pictures of it sprayed out under different light, and it looks like it could be a match, so I ordered a can.
In the meantime, while I was checking out some paints at the local Sikkens dealer, their paint chard showed a Cessna beige that looked close to my steering tube, so I bought a pint. Looked ok in some light
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but it's too beige and not enough grey under a cool light
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Close, but not right. The paint shop said more red tint would get it close, but I'll wait for the paint from Temple before going further.
Also, in emailing / Facebook/ instagram I have messaged several owners, and it seems that many have a beige steering tube and wheel, with grey seat frames and shifter, but there are a few with grey steering wheel, or steering wheel and tube also. I guess there's no way to know if parts were swapped over the years, or perhaps interior colors were inconsistent during zwitter production.
FWIW, the 1959 paint book can be found here, it's a great reference.
https://karmannghia.org/paint_chips.html
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 6:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

So it's been three years since I last visited this subject.. and I was pretty frustrated then. There was a lot of conflicting info out there on what would be the correct color for the seat frames, steering tube, and steering wheel (for an Azure blue zwitter)
I am fairly certain now that the correct color is L278 grey beige, but details of that color are lost. I have been getting closer with a match, and am close to spraying the seat frames.
But then this morning I got this page from Nico Kennis
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Can anyone help with translations? I'm thinking it may help with some of the details..
Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 5:50 am    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

nothing there relating to seat frame colours

the first four in the left column are relating to the exterior paint and the various types nitro cellulose through to air drying synthetic resin. then the rest are relating to interior materials:-
teppichstoff = carpet
polsterstoff = upholstery material
unterstoff = lining material
verdeckstoff = sunroof/cabrio roof material
kunstleder = vinyl upholstery
unterstoff bei kunstleder = vinyl lining material
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 2:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

finster wrote:
nothing there relating to seat frame colours

the first four in the left column are relating to the exterior paint and the various types nitro cellulose through to air drying synthetic resin. then the rest are relating to interior materials:-
teppichstoff = carpet
polsterstoff = upholstery material
unterstoff = lining material
verdeckstoff = sunroof/cabrio roof material
kunstleder = vinyl upholstery
unterstoff bei kunstleder = vinyl lining material


I did just figure this out also and was coming to update my question, thank you!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 12:58 am    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

esde wrote:
So it's been three years since I last visited this subject.. and I was pretty frustrated then. There was a lot of conflicting info out there on what would be the correct color for the seat frames, steering tube, and steering wheel (for an Azure blue zwitter)
I am fairly certain now that the correct color is L278 grey beige, but details of that color are lost. I have been getting closer with a match, and am close to spraying the seat frames.
But then this morning I got this page from Nico Kennis
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Can anyone help with translations? I'm thinking it may help with some of the details..
Thanks
SD


I've had great success with the following website for translating images:

https://www.imagetotext.io/photo-translate
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 1:30 am    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

Google Translate has an image translator too:
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Click Images at the top of the screen there
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

hellbeige = heat beige Very Happy not bad, translation tools have humor

hellbeige = light beige
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

This latest source gives a color for the convertible top. How do we know that this particular page applies to sedans as well? I've seen convertible color combos quoted separately from those of sedans, and yes, there are some differences in an open car.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Correct interior colors for Azure Blue car Reply with quote

fyi, android phones can have a translation app for images. just point camera at the picture and it translates it on the screen. works pretty good.

I used it once when i switched my windows computer over to hebrew to test a unicode font printer. I had a hell of a time to switch the language back to something i could read...

but the phone app got me there.
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