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NachoCar Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Straight gear interaction ? |
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Yeah.....I hadn't read about machined bore errors much in the ten years I've enjoyed pouring over this site.
Sad reality is that is cheaper to buy bearings then purchase accurate tools needed to do measurements. Unless I'm being a tool snob and I can find good values.
Buddy that measured previously is over 2 hours away each direction.
Got Mahle bearings on the way. |
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DeathBySnuSnu Samba Member

Joined: August 25, 2012 Posts: 1239 Location: MS
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Straight gear interaction ? |
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When my murdercyle engine went together.....I also had to get several silver line sets to get them all to the right size. _________________
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And look at the SHAPE of the curves, just smooth, like gods own slingshot. . |
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Starbucket Samba Member

Joined: April 30, 2007 Posts: 4215 Location: WA
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Straight gear interaction ? |
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If you have a 0-1" mic buy a ball attachment for it (Amazon $20) and you can measure the wall thickness of the bearing to see if they are the problem. |
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NachoCar Samba Member

Joined: June 17, 2013 Posts: 368 Location: Ms
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Straight gear interaction ? |
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new Mahle main bearings on #4 and #1......still binds.
Don't know what else to do except send crank, bearings, with case to the machinist. Great....... more time mo money. |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Straight gear interaction ? |
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The only solution is to measure, and find a solution.
There are bore gages and micrometers on Amazon pretty cheap. If I was and engine builder by trade, I'd spring for better ones, but the cheap Chinese ones seem to be decent. I doubt I could get better measurements with the expensive stuff. A $1,000 set of golf clubs does not make a hack like me PGA material. |
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NachoCar Samba Member

Joined: June 17, 2013 Posts: 368 Location: Ms
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Straight gear interaction ? |
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yeah without KNOWING more about measuring tools it's hard to KNOW the "Value" of diff manufacturers.
Been recommended 'GoodSon' tools. Never heard of them but maybe just maybe they will stand behind their products. No terribly expensive.
Is there is a way to measure that the bores are aligned correctly? |
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27725 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Straight gear interaction ? |
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yes |
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NachoCar Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Straight gear interaction ? |
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thanks..... |
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chrisflstf Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Straight gear interaction ? |
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Couple questions. Your problem is the #4 bearing, near the crank pulley? Is the pulley installed? Can you put it together without the #4 bearing, no pulley and ALL the nuts fully torqued? Need to isolate better
Need to measure case bore, fulley torqued, measure bearing od for crush and measure oil clearance with bearing in case, fully torqued. Any machine shops around that can do some measurements for you? |
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NachoCar Samba Member

Joined: June 17, 2013 Posts: 368 Location: Ms
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Straight gear interaction ? |
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no machine shops with 2 hours that will measure anything 'Lesser' than a Porsche.
seriously tho, no machine shops.
mics and telescoping bore gauges on the way.....Mo money, Mo money |
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NachoCar Samba Member

Joined: June 17, 2013 Posts: 368 Location: Ms
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Straight gear interaction ? |
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Been suggested to try and scrap bearing if ID is off.
Given my track history.........that seems an unlikely path to success Lol.
I have plenty to practice on tho. |
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27725 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Straight gear interaction ? |
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Best place to START is measuring the crankshaft with a micrometer, and using a dial bore gauge to measure bearing ID.
This is not the fastest or best way to do it, but it is the most foolproof, so lets do that before you get me too excited about how to check every dimension on the blueprint.
Clatter just drove us all nuts with his "crank no spin" saga.
He LEARNED to use a dial bore gauge and that showed that the clearance was ok, but crank still no spin.... so at that point he started losing faith in the whole process and running in circles, distracted with info overload.
Turned out it was the crank in the end, Crank was tapered and too big near the #1 radius. He had just measured the crank in one spot. oops |
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NachoCar Samba Member

Joined: June 17, 2013 Posts: 368 Location: Ms
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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:46 am Post subject: Re: Straight gear interaction ? |
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Good plan. I had a guy help with measuring crank and case bout 5 months ago when engine ate cam gear.
But that was before the bore. Just waiting on the tools!
Thanks all! |
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