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telford dorr Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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This is what I meant:
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lmaoufle Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:08 am Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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quick question for the guru out there, my main battery is a 55ah my aux a 110 and i am using this blue sea montage. My main is dying so I need to replace it, should I go for a new one that it is closer to the 110? like an 80 or 90 or, can I use a 55ah? I know that sometimes you should use kind of same battery power, but I don't know if the blue sea is impacted by this rule?
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telford dorr Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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Because of the way the Blue Sea unit works, it shouldn't make any difference, as the starting battery is charged before the house battery. It would probably be good to have both batteries of the same type (wet cell, AGM, etc.) so that their full charge voltages are similar, but this may not be critical. _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
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SmokerF15 Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2018 Posts: 47 Location: Klamath Falls, OR
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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Hello,
I probably missed it somewhere buried in this post. What gauge wire is being used with the Blue Sea Systems (add-a battery) set up? I'm assuming 2 AWG?? I'm considering this mod and measured @ 7' of cable to reach from battery to batter across the engine compartment. Any reason to be concerned about voltage drop etc. if I use 2 AWG?
Thanks for the help
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BUSBOSS Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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4 gauge is plenty. _________________ All the redemption I can offer, girl, is beneath this dirty hood
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lintbrush Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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I used the following. Probably overkill, but have had zero problems.
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Hello,
I probably missed it somewhere buried in this post. What gauge wire is being used with the Blue Sea Systems (add-a battery) set up? I'm assuming 2 AWG?? I'm considering this mod and measured @ 7' of cable to reach from battery to batter across the engine compartment. Any reason to be concerned about voltage drop etc. if I use 2 AWG?
Thanks for the help
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sodbuster Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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I need to get new pics of this. I installed a status pannel in my engine compartment for my Blue Sea ACR. I don't recall the exact model but the instructions had a schematic that requires every connection to the ACR be fused.
I also wired in the start intrupt and remote LED features with mine. (both fused.) I also installed on the panel what I call a "storage switch." It's just an sealed aircraft grade toggle switch wired inline on the ground wire. if the bus has to sit for a long period I open the switch and the ACR is competely disabled. I made a bracket that mounts my ACR in the location of the old voltage regulator so it is well hidden behind the stock air cleaner. This is why I installed an LED on the status pannel. The LED on the ACR cannot be seen by just opening the rear deck lid.
Like I said I need to take new pics. All the pics I have show the system with the old constant duty solinoid.  |
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SmokerF15 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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Thanks all for the replies. The schematic, size wire, and fuses seem straight forward.
I was also wondering about the Blue Sea "Add-a-battery" PN 7650, vs the Blue Sea "Automatic Battery Separator for Aux Batteries" PN 7622. I am installing a Mastervolt Inverter/charger on the Aux battery side. Is the 7622 better suited for this application? I would like to charge the Aux battery and the starter battery with either the Alternator (bus running) or AC Shore power through the charging feature of the inverter (bus not running but AC power available).
Thanks Again
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Koeppler Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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| BUSBOSS wrote: |
| 4 gauge is plenty. |
Is 4 gauge also okay for the starter to switch connection? Max amps of 4AWG wire is 85. Doesn’t the starter pull that on a cold day?
One other question……..I think I might not understand what the benefit of the red battery switch is. If the ground for the ACR is wired to the coil via a relay, then aren’t the batteries always separated when the engine is off? What is the additional benefit of the red switch? |
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aeromech Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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| Koeppler wrote: |
| BUSBOSS wrote: |
| 4 gauge is plenty. |
Is 4 gauge also okay for the starter to switch connection? Max amps of 4AWG wire is 85. Doesn’t the starter pull that on a cold day?
One other question……..I think I might not understand what the benefit of the red battery switch is. If the ground for the ACR is wired to the coil via a relay, then aren’t the batteries always separated when the engine is off? What is the additional benefit of the red switch? |
The red switch:
You can turn off all the battery power if you want for maintenance or storage
You can combine both batteries to start. You would do this if the start battery was low, like 10-11 volts. However, if one of the batteries drops to say 9 volts, the ACR will sense that and prevent combining. The theory being that the low battery could be bad internally and if combined could hurt the remaining good battery _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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hutmo Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 1:21 pm Post subject: QUESTION: Blue Sea dual battery relay question |
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I have a 78 Westy and I am installing a Blue Seas Battery switch and ACR. I plan on mounting the ACR on the wall between the engine and the gas tank using self tapping screws. The switch and the fuses will be mounted on plexiglass on the side of the battery.
QUESTION
How much space is there between the firewall panel and the tank? I have seen it posted somewhere but for the life of me I cannot find it.
Thank you for your help
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aeromech Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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Maybe two inches but I think just using sheet metal screws is a bad idea and they’ll pull out. I’d use rivnuts _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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hutmo Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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Rivet nuts... good idea
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hutmo Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2024 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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QUESTION....
Where should the 100 AMP fuses be placed as to the location of the ACR?
I am using 2 gauge wire.
As close to the battery as possible or can they be placed closer to the ACR?
I ask because I am considering mounting the ACR, the Blue Seas Switch and the 100 amp fuses on the firewall. With RIV nuts as has been recommended.
This way, the firewall can be replaced if there is a desire in the future and there would be no additional holes placed in the car.
Thanks
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aeromech Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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Courtesy of Telford Dorr
The fuses can be located anywhere between the Battery + and the ACR.
I used 80 amp
I like to put the switch here because it's easy to reach. If you were unfortunate enough to have an engine electrical fire like someone here did recently, you might not want to reach across the burning wires to turn off the batteries.
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mikedjames Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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| aeromech wrote: |
Courtesy of Telford Dorr
The fuses can be located anywhere between the Battery + and the ACR.
I used 80 amp
I like to put the switch here because it's easy to reach. If you were unfortunate enough to have an engine electrical fire like someone here did recently, you might not want to reach across the burning wires to turn off the batteries.
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Fuses protect wires, they go as near as possible to the battery so if there is any fault on the wiring they blow. They will be pretty useless at stopping damage if next to the relay!
That diagram is misleading.
In fact if you fit the fuses beside the relay and the fuse holders have exposed connections it is probably safer to minimise the chances of shorting things out by just leaving out the fuses and their holders completely , as the relay will pop open the instant the battery voltage drops as you crank in any case. _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
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aeromech Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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Hey Mike,
Let’s see pics of your aux battery installation and also your electrical engineering degree. Sometimes when making a drawing it isn’t easy to be specific on locations. That said, you’re full of shit _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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telford dorr Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: Blue Sea 7610 dual battery relay question |
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| mikedjames wrote: |
| Fuses protect wires, they go as near as possible to the battery so if there is any fault on the wiring they blow. They will be pretty useless at stopping damage if next to the relay! |
If you look at the pictures, you will see that the fuses are, indeed, located as near as practical to the batteries.
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| That diagram is misleading. |
The diagram attempts to show the sequence of circuit connections, not physical component placement.
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| In fact if you fit the fuses beside the relay and the fuse holders have exposed connections it is probably safer to minimize the chances of shorting things out by just leaving out the fuses and their holders completely , as the relay will pop open the instant the battery voltage drops as you crank in any case. |
Sorry - the fuse holders used DO NOT have exposed connections. They have plastic covers which guard the connections, and the lugs are insulated with shrink tubing. [Yeah, the plastic covers aren't bullet-proof, but are adequate for most situations. But then again, some people can break a crowbar in a sandbox...] The only things which is NOT well insulated are the battery terminals themselves, but apparently the factory, for some reason, didn't seem too concerned about that. If you really are serious about this, fully insulated battery terminal covers are available from the usual automotive parts vendors.
Not looking to pick a fight here but, come on, give me a break... _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
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