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grunwin Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2005 Posts: 107 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:46 pm Post subject: Does automatic tranny = automatic heartbreak? |
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Who knew you guys would be so good at counseling? Now a more mechanical question:
What experience and/or opinions do people have about automatic transmissions in Westy's? I have read a few ads from people who claim that they have never had any problems. That from people trying to sell... My gut says that the standard transmission would be easier to manage in the long run. Your thoughts? |
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whobba Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2002 Posts: 871
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:33 pm Post subject: Auto- RAD - ic |
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I have an '85 auto Vanagon and it's just fine. Actually, I dig it alot - first automatic VW of any kind for me, and the 3-speed auto is actually pretty darn great. The 1.9 liter engine is gutless anyways, but at least the damn thing shifts all by itself! |
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weinerwagen Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2004 Posts: 1548 Location: Monterey, CA -Laguna Seca--Coats, Kansas
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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You think the 1.9 coupled to an automatic is slow, you should try my 2.0l air cooled... but like you said, at least it shifts on its own. I'm to pick up my newest Vanagon next weekend which happens to be a 1.9 with an automatic _________________ Retired attorney--Tort King. |
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grunwin Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2005 Posts: 107 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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I found an 87 auto Westy with only 27,000 miles! The price reflects that but doesn't put it out of consideration. Am I right that these are rare? (The trannies, not 87's with 27k:! How about the availability of parts/replacements? |
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Richard Carey Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2004 Posts: 73
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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I have owned three auto Westys (73, 79 and 84) and have never had a problem. One thing to be sure of on the autos is that there are no vac leaks. They are more expensive to fix if something does go wrong, but you will wear out a few clutches on a standard before burning up your trany. Keep the filters fresh, and ATF full. Also, there is something very "Go-Karty" about a Westfalia auto that makes it fun to drive. |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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The auto tranny is pretty tough. I've got an 86 auto with no problems even though it's got an extra 47 or so horsepower from this Subaru. |
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FrankieD Samba Member
Joined: April 19, 2003 Posts: 125 Location: Belleville, IL
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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I've got a 81 Vanagon Air-cooled and Auto Trans. Country Homes Camper Conversion.(Maybe heavier than a Westy)
Not the first to leave the red light but never left me sitting there either. Like anything mechanical, good preventive maintenance is the first step in longevity. The automatic is the only way for me due to a injury while in the Army and I have no complaints with mine.
_________________ 72 Super Beetle Project
http://www.tdreplica.com
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H-four Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2005 Posts: 78 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:22 pm Post subject: Automatic |
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I have had a couple of mechanics say they are not fond of them, and that they are very expensive to replace/rebuild. But, from folks who have had them, they all say they are pretty bulllet proof. I agree with previous posts, the maintenance must be the key. I think really the only down side is that a 4 speed rather than 3 would have been nice. |
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supplicationjam Samba Member
Joined: September 14, 2004 Posts: 114 Location: I-25?
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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Yup....got my heart and wallet broken this morning on the way to work. I stopped at a school zone to wait for the kiddies to cross and when I hit the accelerator.........nothing. She had been slipping for a few days though and I guess the fluid change finally pushed her over the edge. I've been told that the auto trans is a tough unit but mine gave up the ghost at 109k. I guess it depends on how the PO treated it but just how would you know that?
Cheers,
Jam _________________ 87 Westy, DiscoII
Gunny, CO. |
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grunwin Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2005 Posts: 107 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I hope I haven't just signed up for the broken hearts club by buying an 87 Westy auto. It only has 27k original miles and has apparently been babied--regular fluid changes, indoor storage. I'm driving it up from FL in May. I can't wait! |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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an 87 with only 27,000 on it ? wow.....mind telling how much you paid? |
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Ericthenorse Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2004 Posts: 782 Location: Los Osos CA.
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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I would suggest adding 100,000 to that... _________________ '69 bug--rusty as hell
'91 vanagon carrat-slammed,5 speed,4 wheel disks,17x8.5's |
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FP1201 Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2004 Posts: 62 Location: Northern New York
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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grunwin wrote: |
Well, I hope I haven't just signed up for the broken hearts club by buying an 87 Westy auto. It only has 27k original miles and has apparently been babied--regular fluid changes, indoor storage. I'm driving it up from FL in May. I can't wait! |
Same here (except I'm leaving ~ the 27th) I'm leaving from the Orlando area to Watertown, NY |
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BulliBill Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2004 Posts: 4554 Location: St Charles, MO
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Does automatic tranny=automatic heartbreak? |
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I've got an '87 Westfalia Camper GL with auto trans and LOVE IT! The only A/T vehicle I own of the eight VWs in my fleet. Shifts sharp and crisp. Keep up with occasional fluid changes and filter cleaning and you'll be a A/T convert like me. Nice in a big heavy vehicle to not be wrestling with a clutch/shifter and shifting decisions, let the factory A/T do it! Plus my wife loves to drive it.
Bill Bowman _________________ I'm looking for these license plate frames for my fleet:
Coeur D'Alene - Lake Shore Volkswagen
Mission VW - San Fernando
Thornton VW - Stockton
Thanks for any help! |
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 2967 Location: MD
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Does automatic tranny=automatic heartbreak? |
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I wish my Syncro was an automatic. Autos are much easier to drive off road and every time I don't shift perfectly I see dollar signs everywhere. Stressful. And, it's not a great shift experience to begin with. I think it shifts worse than an early 90s F150 but with a trans that costs more than 5 of the trucks combined and as long lasting as a cupcake in a break room. What are the redeeming qualities of the manual? Slightly better efficiency? OK. And the downsides? They are numerous.
Autos are great for utility vehicles. The van isn't gonna be fast. Who cares if its 2 seconds slower in the 1/4? The MT is doing it in 18 seconds, it's not gonna be breaking any necks. _________________ '87 Syncro
Ferric Oxyhydroxide Superleggera Edition |
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vwhammer Samba Member
Joined: May 20, 2006 Posts: 998 Location: Boulder CO.
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Does automatic tranny = automatic heartbreak? |
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It is a shame there are not autos for the syncros.
In my opinion the autos, while maybe a bit less efficient, are way more durable than the manual trans in a vanagon.
One might think they are more complicated but, having had one apart and modifying it, I can tell you that they are likely the simplest auto trans I have ever worked on.
I can have one apart in 15 minutes and back together in another 10 with nothing more than hand tools and maybe a couple clamps and a 2x4.
Sure its fun to shit gears all fast a furious styles but, as someone mentioned, these things are never going to be corner burners or quarter mile blasters so an auto is fine.
In traffic the auto is better.
On long drives the auto is better (primarily because my wife can drive also)
Off road the auto is better.
For what a Vanagon is, the auto is better.
For the record all of the statements above are simply my opinion based on my experiences with my van as well as several other car types and manufacturers.
Your experiences may vary and your opinions are no more or less relevant. _________________ Pretty normal daily driver build
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=708418&highlight=
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https://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/volkswagen-vanagon-4x4-conversion.162055/ |
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cmayna Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2014 Posts: 1143 Location: SF Bay area, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Does automatic tranny = automatic heartbreak? |
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With an automatic, you can steer with one hand and wave to all the pretty hippie girls with the other hand. _________________ '90 Westy / automatic.
If I'm not working on the camper or my '50 Chebbie truck, I'm either fishing with the wife or smoking Salmon.
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S4VAGE Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2007 Posts: 258 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Does automatic tranny = automatic heartbreak? |
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Mine only made it 33 years and 235k miles. What a pile of junk
I have an auto van and manual van. They both have their trade-offs. There are things I like about both. I would not let it dictate my van buying decision. There are far too many other more important considerations IMO. |
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alaskadan Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2013 Posts: 1843 Location: anchor pt. alaska
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Does automatic tranny = automatic heartbreak? |
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I put a suby in a 78 auto bay riviera for a gentleman. It was a pleasure to drive. Those transmissions were used in other makes too. Not really that rare until you put "vanagon" in front of it. Supposedly they are pretty tough too, as far as adding more horse power. |
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Does automatic tranny = automatic heartbreak? |
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grunwin wrote: |
Who knew you guys would be so good at counseling? Now a more mechanical question:
What experience and/or opinions do people have about automatic transmissions in Westy's? I have read a few ads from people who claim that they have never had any problems. That from people trying to sell... My gut says that the standard transmission would be easier to manage in the long run. Your thoughts? |
I'm not about to sell (until there is a similar sized modern vehicle) and have never had any issues with my A/T (~210,000 miles on it).
The A/T and the unit body are the two best engineered parts of a Vanagon as far as i can determine. _________________ .... |
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