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Big Luni Samba Member

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bljones Resident Wit
Joined: February 08, 2002 Posts: 2377 Location: ontario canada
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 8:52 am Post subject: |
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looks like they've just taken the tri-mil "euro two-tip" style muffler, turned it 90 degrees upward and welded on larger bore double bend outlets.
According to VWTrends,
"Tri-Mil Eurosport Single-Tip
rpm lbs. hp torque
2500 17.2 43 90.33
3000 16.6 48.9 87.18
3500 15.6 54.6 81.93
4000 15 60 78.78
4500 13.6 61.2 71.42
5000 11.2 56 58.82
We got between four and five horsepower from 4000rpm to our redline of 5000. A quick plug check showed that with the free-flowing exhaust the engine was running lean. The 117 main jet was changed to a 125. "
Then they re-jetted.
"Tri-Mil Eurosport single-Tip (re-Jet)
rpm lbs. hp torque
2500 17.2 43 90.33
3000 16.8 50.4 88.23
3500 16.4 57.4 86.13
4000 15.2 60.8 79.83
4500 13.8 62.1 72.47
5000 11.8 59 61.97
A simple three-dollar jet change netted us a solid three extra ponies at 5000rpm. Another plug check told us the engine was happier with the fatter main jet. With the rest of the free-flowing exhausts yet to come, we left it right where it was. "
So, it looks like it may provide some benefit over the stock system on stock size engines, and the price is pretty decent. _________________ OG JHC
Author of Original Rant #1
"It stingd itself to dead... now that is control on you"
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amishman Samba Member

Joined: March 09, 2004 Posts: 3233 Location: California
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 10:46 am Post subject: |
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So I am guessing for us 1973 Thing owners we would then need J Tubes to complete the setup? My exhaust is rusty and really protrudes from the bottom back of the bumper. I wonder if this new design shows a big muffler below the bumber or not. I was thinking about buying the $400 like stock setup from a Thing store in SoCal but maybe this new setup would work.
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germansupplyscott Samba Member

Joined: May 22, 2004 Posts: 7178 Location: toronto
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 10:58 am Post subject: |
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looks cool. i bet it is LOUD.
i just bought this:
maybe the last one on the planet? who knows. anyhow, i bought it. cost a small fortune, but worth it imo. _________________ SL |
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PIMPPRIDE Samba Member

Joined: November 19, 2003 Posts: 879 Location: Carson California
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:48 am Post subject: |
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due to technical complications, global warming and the Michael Jackson acquittal, the thing muffler system previously named " WILD BOAR " has been updated, and now should be referenced as the " New Thing Muffler " or " Tri Mil Euro 2 tip thing Muffler "
thank you for your time
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suntour Samba Member

Joined: November 25, 2004 Posts: 443 Location: Woodinville, WA
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Towel Rail Horizontally Opposed

Joined: April 15, 2005 Posts: 4622 Location: SE CR IA US NA PE
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:35 am Post subject: |
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germansupplyscott wrote: |
looks cool. i bet it is LOUD.
i just bought this:
maybe the last one on the planet? who knows. anyhow, i bought it. cost a small fortune, but worth it imo. |
Scott, didn't the Thing Shop have those for a while?
My muffler needs replacing, but I'm definitely not going with another dual-muffler setup. Too much of a pain in the ass when adjusting valves.  _________________ 1974 Thing -- under the knife
1967 Beetle -- spring/summer/fall driver
1996 Subaru OBW (EJ22, 5-speed, AWD) -- winter car, 3-seasons "don't feel like biking today" car
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germansupplyscott Samba Member

Joined: May 22, 2004 Posts: 7178 Location: toronto
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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Towel Rail wrote: |
Scott, didn't the Thing Shop have those for a while?
My muffler needs replacing, but I'm definitely not going with another dual-muffler setup. Too much of a pain in the ass when adjusting valves.  |
well, maybe 10 years ago. the one in the photo is pretty rare, an original 74 thing muffler. they have been unavailable for a good long while. the repro 74 muffler is available now for a good price. i haven't seen one in person as yet but it looks decent in a photo. _________________ SL |
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amishman Samba Member

Joined: March 09, 2004 Posts: 3233 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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So I am kinda new to the Thing muffler options but is there any issue of a 73 owner like me to switch to a 74 style muffler if I ever have to as long as I get these J Tube deals or is there a cheap two muffler setup that allows easier access for valve adjustments so I can stay somewhat stock?
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Towel Rail Horizontally Opposed

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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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The repros were what I meant.
Doesn't look like either the Thing Shop or Things Unlimited have any, though. Things Unlimited claims the dual exhaust system boosts horsepower by 25 HP! I find that a little hard to swallow... _________________ 1974 Thing -- under the knife
1967 Beetle -- spring/summer/fall driver
1996 Subaru OBW (EJ22, 5-speed, AWD) -- winter car, 3-seasons "don't feel like biking today" car
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Big Luni Samba Member

Joined: December 29, 2003 Posts: 427 Location: Hartford, CT
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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GMW has the '73, and I believe The Thing Shop has them if you ask- they just don't put it in the catalog for some reason. |
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radioman Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Michael Jackson acquitted????????????? What??? Really??? Sorry I may have hijacked this thread. It's just like OJ in my mind. It's a Sorry World. _________________ It's a Southern Thing, 73, stock.
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suntour Samba Member

Joined: November 25, 2004 Posts: 443 Location: Woodinville, WA
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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radioman wrote: |
Michael Jackson acquitted????????????? What??? Really??? Sorry I may have hijacked this thread. It's just like OJ in my mind. It's a Sorry World. |
Where were you yesterday?
Old news... _________________ Order of the Voodoo Spoon |
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Towel Rail Horizontally Opposed

Joined: April 15, 2005 Posts: 4622 Location: SE CR IA US NA PE
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Here's that Things Unlimited 1973-style dual muffler. (Actually the S&S brand one):
I may go with that after all. I don't want anything more restrictive than the muffler I just took off, and it wouldn't kill me to loosen a couple of bolts to get the muffler out of the way for valve jobs.
Indecisive much? No, well, not... yes.  _________________ 1974 Thing -- under the knife
1967 Beetle -- spring/summer/fall driver
1996 Subaru OBW (EJ22, 5-speed, AWD) -- winter car, 3-seasons "don't feel like biking today" car
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amishman Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Towel Rail wrote: |
Here's that Things Unlimited 1973-style dual muffler. (Actually the S&S brand one):
I may go with that after all. I don't want anything more restrictive than the muffler I just took off, and it wouldn't kill me to loosen a couple of bolts to get the muffler out of the way for valve jobs.
Indecisive much? No, well, not... yes.  |
I think that is the rusted muffler I have on my Thing now. The bottom section hangs way below the bumber and I do not like it. Unless this model hides the tubes better than mine. On mine, it is way below the bumber and that bugs me. Here is what mine looks like. Yuck!
tj
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Towel Rail Horizontally Opposed

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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Can you take another picture from a lower angle? Now that I think about it, I wonder if the muffler would block the crankshaft nut...
- Scott _________________ 1974 Thing -- under the knife
1967 Beetle -- spring/summer/fall driver
1996 Subaru OBW (EJ22, 5-speed, AWD) -- winter car, 3-seasons "don't feel like biking today" car
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amishman Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Towel Rail wrote: |
Can you take another picture from a lower angle? Now that I think about it, I wonder if the muffler would block the crankshaft nut...
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Hope this helps.
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Towel Rail Horizontally Opposed

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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, that's almost too close to call. If you look straight through the hole in the bumper, do you see engine tin or exhaust pipe?
Sorry to keep making you run out to the garage.
- Scott _________________ 1974 Thing -- under the knife
1967 Beetle -- spring/summer/fall driver
1996 Subaru OBW (EJ22, 5-speed, AWD) -- winter car, 3-seasons "don't feel like biking today" car
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amishman Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Towel Rail wrote: |
Wow, that's almost too close to call. If you look straight through the hole in the bumper, do you see engine tin or exhaust pipe?
Sorry to keep making you run out to the garage.
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I do not see muffler pipe through the hole so should be OK for crank start, at least on my setup.
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Towel Rail Horizontally Opposed

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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Much obliged, amishman.
- Scott _________________ 1974 Thing -- under the knife
1967 Beetle -- spring/summer/fall driver
1996 Subaru OBW (EJ22, 5-speed, AWD) -- winter car, 3-seasons "don't feel like biking today" car
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