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lorse
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 Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:54 am Post subject: What's wrong with this picture? |
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My Friend's '57 SC has got a problem... is it the wrong hub or what?
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rizzag
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what is he doing? history? just putting together a straight axle kit or reduction boxes?
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lorse
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He towed this from Oregon a year ago, rebuilt the engine, did some body work and now it's on the road... till He saw this.
He's got reduction boxes... looks stock, but it's not quite workin' out, as you can see.
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60freak
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:01 am Post subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? |
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| lorse wrote: |
My Friend's '57 SC has got a problem... is it the wrong hub or what?
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Just slap some washers in there to take up the extra space and it will be fine. 
Just Kidding! 
It looks like the wrong hub/drum maybe, or like Rizzag asked, is he going straight axle or ???? |
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pyrOman
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Either the drum is not correct or the stub is coming out of the RBs!
No a safe situation, to say the least! 
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ROADKILL
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| there is supposed to be a spacer in there, between the drum and the axel cover. |
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rizzag
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| there is supposed to be a spacer in there, between the drum and the axel cover. |
its not the spacer. if the spacer was not there, the drum would hit the backing plate way before it could float that far back. my guess is that that drum snout has been cut down for a straight axle kit before.
if thats the case then i would get another drum, and to get by in the time being, you could use another under drum bearing spacer under the axle nut, crank it down and throw a cotter pin in it.
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lorse
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| there is supposed to be a spacer in there, between the drum and the axel cover. |
its not the spacer. if the spacer was not there, the drum would hit the backing plate way before it could float that far back. my guess is that that drum snout has been cut down for a straight axle kit before.
if thats the case then i would get another drum, and to get by in the time being, you could use another under drum bearing spacer under the axle nut, crank it down and throw a cotter pin in it. |
I measured the snout on the drum and it's the same length as the other side, which has no space.
I'm wonderin'.... if somebody drove around with a loose nut, could they wear away the drum on the back side... thus causing this problem?
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"...and to get by in the time being, you could use another under drum bearing spacer under the axle nut, crank it down and throw a cotter pin in it."
... and say your prayers! 
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60freak
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| lorse wrote: |
| rizzag wrote: |
| ROADKILL wrote: |
| there is supposed to be a spacer in there, between the drum and the axel cover. |
its not the spacer. if the spacer was not there, the drum would hit the backing plate way before it could float that far back. my guess is that that drum snout has been cut down for a straight axle kit before.
if thats the case then i would get another drum, and to get by in the time being, you could use another under drum bearing spacer under the axle nut, crank it down and throw a cotter pin in it. |
I measured the snout on the drum and it's the same length as the other side, which has no space.
I'm wonderin'.... if somebody drove around with a loose nut, could they wear away the drum on the back side... thus causing this problem? |
No, I don't think so, but never seen that happen before so I'm not 100% sure! I would think the axle would tear/strip it's way out or strip inside the drum before anything like that could happen, and then the bus woudn't drive at all......you did say he was driving/on the road before right? Too strange Lorse, I dunno man? |
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lorse
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| you did say he was driving/on the road before right? Too strange Lorse, I dunno man? |
Yep, he drove it over to my house... slow and not too far.
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rizzag
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"...and to get by in the time being, you could use another under drum bearing spacer under the axle nut, crank it down and throw a cotter pin in it."
... and say your prayers! |
conveniently, you left out the part where i say "if thats the case" meaning that would be ok ONLY if the snout had been milled down. and if that was the case, it would be ok. it would be nothing more then a large washer. totally fine if the nut took torque and there was a cotterpin installed as i also said.
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lorse
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"...and to get by in the time being, you could use another under drum bearing spacer under the axle nut, crank it down and throw a cotter pin in it."
... and say your prayers! |
conveniently, you left out the part where i say "if thats the case" meaning that would be ok ONLY if the snout had been milled down. and if that was the case, it would be ok. it would be nothing more then a large washer. totally fine if the nut took torque and there was a cotterpin installed as i also said. |
But I don't think that is the case... the snout does not appear to be milled.
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rizzag
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pretty weird, i guess you just need to pull that pig apart and investigate. it may very well be a reduction box problem. if it is a reduction box problem then its something VERY wrong with the reduction box!!!
and as to you thinking the back of the drum could be worn down, thats highly unlikely because as i said before the drum would hit the backing plate and the brake shoes would bottom out in the drum way before it could float that far inward. if the drum is legit in all its dimensions then its time to look at the reduction box i would say.
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I appreciate the responses....
We'll have a closer look and let ya'll know what we find.
One more question... I know his '57 has a small nut, as compared to my '67, but would the snout of the drum vary in length between the two?
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I appreciate the responses....
We'll have a closer look and let ya'll know what we find.
One more question... I know his '57 has a small nut, as compared to my '67, but would the snout of the drum vary in length between the two? |
If I recall, the snout of the drum wouldn't be very different, but the depth of the drum would be. So maybe it's 1 ton reduction boxes with the earlier brakes installed? Will that even all bolt together?
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Tear it apart and figure out just what the hell is going on in there!
Do take pictures of what you find and post them too!
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| lorse wrote: |
I appreciate the responses....
We'll have a closer look and let ya'll know what we find.
One more question... I know his '57 has a small nut, as compared to my '67, but would the snout of the drum vary in length between the two? |
If I recall, the snout of the drum wouldn't be very different, but the depth of the drum would be. So maybe it's 1 ton reduction boxes with the earlier brakes installed? Will that even all bolt together? |
I think Andrew is onto something there.......hmmmmm.....that has me thinking now too.  |
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It looks like he has a straight swing axle (68 long axle) in the bus and 5 lug 66 and earlier bug/ghia drums. You can run this by putting a extra axle seal spacer over the splines then the axle nut. I've done this before with out problems on a Haha bug (Street Baja) so I could run 5 lug drums. I would not take it off road though.
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| One more question... I know his '57 has a small nut, as compared to my '67, but would the snout of the drum vary in length between the two? |
Snout is the same, but axle diameter is different so the early one will not fit on the later one. The later one would fit over the earlier one, but would be all sloppy on the splines.
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