| Author |
Message |
westy78
Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2002
Posts: 2005
Location: Portland OR
|
 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:40 pm Post subject: Was this a Euro color for '75?? |
 |
|
Found this on that auction site. The bus looks like it's in great condition but it looks like it's Dakota Beige. As far as I know this color was only available in '78 and in '79 Mexico Beige and never with the blue/green plaid. He says the paint is original and from the inside looks to be. Was this a color option in Europe that we didn't get 'till later here in the states? Or is this some other color that I'm not aware of? Take a look at that price too. 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1975-Volkswagen-Wes...dZViewItem
_________________
Jasan C.
'78 Westy
VW Campmobile, it goes on vacation with you. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
pawesty
Samba Medic
Joined: June 28, 2003
Posts: 1545
Location: Northern Vermont
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Jasan,
i thought the same thing when i saw the ad yesterday. i'm not buying the story,and i'm certainly not buying the bus for that price.
dave
_________________
"Go smell the wind, go far. Hear the marvelous strange chime of midnight" Kerouac
79 westy
78 westy
purveyor of refurbed westies and parts!!! inquire within!
. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
westy78
Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2002
Posts: 2005
Location: Portland OR
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject: |
|
|
You know another thing that doesn't jive is he says it is dual carb. Didn't FI start in '75. Doesn't sound like it's all stock as he claims. Or maybe since it came from Germany it has the 1600?
_________________
Jasan C.
'78 Westy
VW Campmobile, it goes on vacation with you. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ratwell
Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2003
Posts: 8717
Location: Victoria, BC
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| westy78 wrote: |
| You know another thing that doesn't jive is he says it is dual carb. Didn't FI start in '75. |
He implies the FI was removed and replaced but that would be a stock engine for Europe (optional Type 4, CJ with carbs).
| Quote: |
| Doesn't sound like it's all stock as he claims. |
Seems to be a nice bus but I don't understand why something like the windshield wiper motor was replaced if it's such low mileage and it's been in the garage all these years.
| Quote: |
| The first owner taught me the importance of adjusting the valves and adding a lead substitute to the premium (only) gasoline |
That's amusing.
| Quote: |
| Or maybe since it came from Germany it has the 1600? |
Either the optional engine was selected for Europe of it was tourist delivery of a US model. I'll be on the former.
The color would be L13H Ceylon Beige for 1975 or D1D1 after you translate from the m-code plate.
_________________
'78 Westfalia CDN
'76 Doublecab
Read the Baywindow FAQ
Last edited by ratwell on Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:11 pm; edited 2 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tram
Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003
Posts: 22729
Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:33 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| westy78 wrote: |
| You know another thing that doesn't jive is he says it is dual carb. Didn't FI start in '75. Doesn't sound like it's all stock as he claims. Or maybe since it came from Germany it has the 1600? |
He said the 'primitive' fuel injection was taken off. I don't believe that it's a Euro model. I also don't believe it's a '75. Look at the bumpers. Add that to the colour and the upholstery. Look closely at the driver's seat under the seatcover where he has it pulled back. It's smashed flat. That either screams bullshit on the 'meticulous care' the Bus has had, or bullshit of fifty- something K original mileage. He claims it has A/C under "options" in the eBay vehicle description form. Do you see a second pulley/ belt for a compressor on the engine? How about the vents under the dash?
This whole deal doesn't add up. I'm wondering if this is a Frankenbus with a 1975 VIN/ title on a later body.
I don't know about you, but I keep trying to add this equation, and I keep getting the wrong answer. 
_________________
Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
| Bryan67 wrote: |
| Just my hands. And a little lube. No tools. |
To best contact me, please use the EMAIL function in my profile |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ratwell
Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2003
Posts: 8717
Location: Victoria, BC
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Tram wrote: |
| I don't believe that it's a Euro model. I also don't believe it's a '75. Look at the bumpers. |
It's obviously been modified and not is as mint condition as he says but look at the pull strap on the doors. I think that's a Euro feature.
| Quote: |
| Add that to the colour and the upholstery. |
Why the rear is covered up I don't know.
| Quote: |
| Look closely at the driver's seat under the seatcover where he has it pulled back. It's smashed flat. |
The horse hair padding can rot and fall out in that kind of mileage.
_________________
'78 Westfalia CDN
'76 Doublecab
Read the Baywindow FAQ |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Karl
Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2001
Posts: 6170
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
That is a Euro interior with the wardrobe behind the drivers seat.
That is a Euro dual carb engine compartment.
I wish he took pics that included some of the interior body metal......
I would love to see the M code plate. The paint code should be 9826.
That front license plate looks like crap mounted to the body.
It is the Malaga model.
http://www.t2-register.de/prospekte/camping1975/seite5.jpg |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
westy78
Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2002
Posts: 2005
Location: Portland OR
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Ooops, didn't see the engine shot. Wouldn't have thought about it being an upright if I saw that.
_________________
Jasan C.
'78 Westy
VW Campmobile, it goes on vacation with you. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tram
Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003
Posts: 22729
Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Karl wrote: |
That is a Euro interior with the wardrobe behind the drivers seat.
That is a Euro dual carb engine compartment.
I wish he took pics that included some of the interior body metal......
I would love to see the M code plate. The paint code should be 9826.
That front license plate looks like crap mounted to the body.
It is the Malaga model.
http://www.t2-register.de/prospekte/camping1975/seite5.jpg |
It looked like that to me as well, but he said the injection had been removed. I don't know that home market Buses were injected in 1975. Maybe they were. There's just a lot of strange stuff going on here, first thing being the price. 
_________________
Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
| Bryan67 wrote: |
| Just my hands. And a little lube. No tools. |
To best contact me, please use the EMAIL function in my profile |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
westy78
Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2002
Posts: 2005
Location: Portland OR
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Karl wrote: |
That is a Euro interior with the wardrobe behind the drivers seat.
That is a Euro dual carb engine compartment.
I wish he took pics that included some of the interior body metal......
I would love to see the M code plate. The paint code should be 9826.
That front license plate looks like crap mounted to the body.
It is the Malaga model.
http://www.t2-register.de/prospekte/camping1975/seite5.jpg |
Aahh... I thought that interior looked a little different. I've never heard of that model. I thought they were either Berlin or Helsinki's.
_________________
Jasan C.
'78 Westy
VW Campmobile, it goes on vacation with you. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tram
Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003
Posts: 22729
Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ratwell wrote: |
| Tram wrote: |
| I don't believe that it's a Euro model. I also don't believe it's a '75. Look at the bumpers. |
It's obviously been modified and not is as mint condition as he says but look at the pull strap on the doors. I think that's a Euro feature.
| Quote: |
| Add that to the colour and the upholstery. |
Why the rear is covered up I don't know.
| Quote: |
| Look closely at the driver's seat under the seatcover where he has it pulled back. It's smashed flat. |
The horse hair padding can rot and fall out in that kind of mileage. |
Didn't later 78- 79 American market Buses have those as well? 
_________________
Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
| Bryan67 wrote: |
| Just my hands. And a little lube. No tools. |
To best contact me, please use the EMAIL function in my profile |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
westy78
Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2002
Posts: 2005
Location: Portland OR
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Do those gauges have white faces or is that just the reflection? Is it me or are the front markers in a strange place. To high and forward?
_________________
Jasan C.
'78 Westy
VW Campmobile, it goes on vacation with you.
Last edited by westy78 on Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:58 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
westy78
Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2002
Posts: 2005
Location: Portland OR
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ratwell wrote: |
| look at the pull strap on the doors. I think that's a Euro feature. |
| Tram wrote: |
| Didn't later 78- 79 American market Buses have those as well? |
No, the Westies at least had the arm rest. The earlier models had those door pulls with the different door locks.
_________________
Jasan C.
'78 Westy
VW Campmobile, it goes on vacation with you. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tram
Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003
Posts: 22729
Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hmmmm. American spec headrests on the front seats, American spec sidemarkers, American sealed beams. Of course, these could have been changed.
Shouldn't the curtains match the upholstery?
And what's up with the 68- 72 Deluxe beltline trim?
Look I'm no bay bus option/ trim package expert. But isn't there quite a bit out of whack here?
_________________
Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
| Bryan67 wrote: |
| Just my hands. And a little lube. No tools. |
To best contact me, please use the EMAIL function in my profile |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ratwell
Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2003
Posts: 8717
Location: Victoria, BC
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Tram wrote: |
| American spec headrests on the front seats |
Items like headrests and retractable seat belts were euro standards. In the US the baywindow was often classified as a truck and so it didn't have to meet all passenger car standards.
| Quote: |
| American spec sidemarkers |
You mean there isn't of missing...
| Quote: |
| American sealed beams. Of course, these could have been changed. |
Sure. Can't tell exactly from thise blurry photos.
| Quote: |
| Look I'm no bay bus option/ trim package expert. But isn't there quite a bit out of whack here? |
How many Euro models have you seen? I haven't seen a lot either but I think that explains a lot and jives with the description that the bus came from Germany. We'll be guessing until one of us buys it. 
_________________
'78 Westfalia CDN
'76 Doublecab
Read the Baywindow FAQ |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tram
Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003
Posts: 22729
Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Actually, I've seen quite a few Euro models, but I should have paid closer attention. Most Euros that I've seen had the 1600s, and were pretty 'plain Jane' as far as trim and interior adornments are concerned.
It's an interesting Westy, and a nice one. No doubt about that. I just don't think it's as original as they say or think it is. And, it's a wee mite overpriced to not be sure.
_________________
Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
| Bryan67 wrote: |
| Just my hands. And a little lube. No tools. |
To best contact me, please use the EMAIL function in my profile |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ratwell
Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2003
Posts: 8717
Location: Victoria, BC
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tram
Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003
Posts: 22729
Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ratwell wrote: |
| Tram wrote: |
| Actually, I've seen quite a few Euro models |
I didn't mean to presume that. Sorry. |
ABSOLUTELY no offence taken. You probably know more about this than I do! Besides, if we can't 'presume' to rattle each others' cage occasionally.... what good are we? We may as well join the 'Stamp Out Hydraulics' campaign.
_________________
Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
| Bryan67 wrote: |
| Just my hands. And a little lube. No tools. |
To best contact me, please use the EMAIL function in my profile |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nemobuscaptain
Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002
Posts: 3874
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ratwell
Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2003
Posts: 8717
Location: Victoria, BC
|
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Tram wrote: |
| We may as well join the 'Stamp Out Hydraulics' campaign. |
Solidarity! Speaking of which:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=948694
| nemobuscaptain wrote: |
| I don't think FI became standard in Europe until much later. Many eurospec vanagons still had carbs. |
You'd never figure that the USA was way ahead of Europeans on an issue like emissions back in the 70s. Funny.
_________________
'78 Westfalia CDN
'76 Doublecab
Read the Baywindow FAQ |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
