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oldmanbus52
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 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:23 am Post subject: How rare is this bus and what is it worth? |
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| I have a new bus purchase that is in poor condition, but it is what I've been told a rare bus in that is has the loading doors on both sides. The doors appear to be in good usable condition as is, but the usual passenger side doors have a crease. The taillites are cracked but are there as is the barn door and both front doors. The small nut original trans is there. No front beam. The bus is rusted so I've put a "poor" as in the condition but the bottom metal parts could be welded in by a pro. I do not currently have any pictures. I'm wondering what and how rare it is. I was told that it is a '58. Any input would be appreciated. |
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Andrew
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:31 am Post subject: Re: How rare is this bus and what is it worth? |
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| I have a new bus purchase that is in poor condition, but it is what I've been told a rare bus in that is has the loading doors on both sides. The doors appear to be in good usable condition as is, but the usual passenger side doors have a crease. The taillites are cracked but are there as is the barn door and both front doors. The small nut original trans is there. No front beam. The bus is rusted so I've put a "poor" as in the condition but the bottom metal parts could be welded in by a pro. I do not currently have any pictures. I'm wondering what and how rare it is. I was told that it is a '58. Any input would be appreciated. |
That is definitely a rare bus! Must be work at least 25 g's.
...Or it could only be worth $25. But we'll never know until you give us more information (and pictures).
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KombiMonster
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| It's only "rare" if it's not a Panel. |
That sums it up pretty nicely.....so does this bus have windows down the side? If so....does it have interior panels and a headliner?....
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I highly doubt searching the classifides will help. |
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| I highly doubt searching the classifides will help. |
You are right.
Seeing 10 of the same type of cars doesn't help determine how rare a car is. |
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I rekon this fool thinks it's April  
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oldmanbus52
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject: How rare is this bus and what is it worth? |
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The bus is a panel van and as it appears was always used as a delivery
van in some fashion as the original panel board with the small window
glass is still in place separating the driver's seat from the load. It
appears as though this panel has always been in place and never removed.
The glass is good and the board only has one small dent in it that
seems to have broken through in one place. Both of the side doors operate
with a large screwdriver 'handle' as the original handles are missing.
The engine and front beam as I said are missing. The front nose is in
poor condition and the windshields are gone and that whole area is in
need of an expert bodyman to replace...and it also dented the front dash
area just ahead of the ash tray. I found a relatively rust free nose
with good windshields for a modest price but was told that the headlight
buckets on the newer buses were more rounded than these are. I don't
yet have the numbers off of the bus as they are hard to see just next to
the engine on the battery side there's a stamped number in the metal
but there is also an aluminum tag and then to the left of that there's
another tag with only words that say made in westgermany or something.
I'll need to get that information. I recently sold a newer bus with all
the windows and the numbers matched my title that we found...but the
older ones had numbers in different places. I need to get ahold of my
brother's digital camera and get this in a picture format. I found a newer
front beam for $50 that is a bolt on and doesn't appear to be rusted. A
purist would remove this in lieu of the original piece and would also
find a 36 horse engine with the right numbers. I don't know what is
required for the year as I don't even know that yet...but still....I'd love
to see someone get this van that can do a super job on it and add it to
his/her collection. There's gotta be some gals that are crazy about
these old buses....but I would assume there's mostly men like me. I grew up with them and also lots of bugs. |
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oilspot
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You are right.
Seeing 10 of the same type of cars doesn't help determine how rare a car is. |
Oops! didn't see that the search was for the type vans he was asking about. |
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from the faq:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=94568
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oldmanbus52
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:27 am Post subject: How rare is this bus and how much is it worth? |
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I found the numbers on a brass tag to the right (battery side) of the engine; There's a shiny aluminum tag made in western germany and then a brass tag that says Volkswagenwerk GmbH and below that I believe the tag gives the designation as to type...VW 2/21 and then the vin in tiny little numbers that are recessed and these numbers correspond to stamped in numbers stamped into the metal body 335535.
The guy I got it from is looking for the title, he thinks that he has it. It's been parked since 1970 so it only spent 12 years on the road...but the old license plate is on it and it is extremely faded and weathered....almost a 'werk' of art in itself. A few more little notes: I noticed that is has the correct rear apron with the crank hole. I may just restore this unit after making a rotisserie so I can work underneath. Anybody got a picture of one or how to make it? By the way I read Lind's post on determining a vehicle's worth and how much would anybody pay. I took his sound words to heart and I didn't expect to get an honest answer from salivating bus nuts that are reading this, and alot of that is just common sense. If anything is worth 25 bucks, nobody wants to pay 24.99 for it...they'd like to get it for a dollar.....you know. |
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Where are you located? That can affect value a bit too. Pix would help a lot.
For a rotisserie, check out dropgates.com in the Restoration section.
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looks like your bus is feb of 58. does it have the bumpers?
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:13 am Post subject: Re: How rare is this bus and how much is it worth? |
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I found the numbers on a brass tag to the right (battery side) of the engine; There's a shiny aluminum tag made in western germany and then a brass tag that says Volkswagenwerk GmbH and below that I believe the tag gives the designation as to type...VW 2/21 and then the vin in tiny little numbers that are recessed and these numbers correspond to stamped in numbers stamped into the metal body 335535.
The guy I got it from is looking for the title, he thinks that he has it. It's been parked since 1970 so it only spent 12 years on the road...but the old license plate is on it and it is extremely faded and weathered....almost a 'werk' of art in itself. A few more little notes: I noticed that is has the correct rear apron with the crank hole. |
the double door buses are really neat from a practical standpoint. Greg& I got a field sitting Jan 58 DD panel in March (the orange one in my avatar), and got it going and put over 4K miles on it since. I didn't think much of the DDs before getting that bus... but they are actually very useful. I like it.
Sounds like your VIN is ~30K higher than Orangis.. still buildt early 58 maybe feb or march? new would have had a 36hp motor w/ hand crank, and a split case tranny, and 'flat' decklid, and round glass taillights. my 58's still rocking the cracked glass taillights it had when found. I superglued the pieces together. I kinda like the look on that bus, and it keeps the correct numbers on the glass that way.
Does it have the bumpers? those flimsy 58& earlier bumpers are not cheap, especially the rear. even just the brackets is a help.
this is the inside of orangi when found:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=216134
also, the outside cargo door handles were on the ground near the bus.
Nice that yours has the divider... I had to make one, and find a glass and seal... I still don't have the metal upright reinforcements... does that one?
I think searching the classifieds can give an idea of price.. though it tends to be skewed high as the cheap deals get snapped up, and some ads are high and sit for ages as a ratty rusty DD panel project is not worth 4K in many peoples minds
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oldmanbus52
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:14 am Post subject: How rare is this bus and what is it worth? |
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I found out that it is February '58. I do have the rear bumper in restorable condition in that it is all there. The front is missing. It is a type 2/21 215 designation as it is left hand drive with cargo doors on the left and right....as in the picture above this. Thanks. You've made my day. I don't have the time to sort through all the classifieds.....I looked again at my seperation panel and there are more than one stressed enough to fracture points, but nothing is missing in the fractured areas and could be glued. If I would have owned the bus when it was newer and without a clue as to value I would've ripped out that part, some people need to see what they're hauling....or else I would've loaded something that came crashing through and it would've been destroyed in some way or another.
So it's good that I didn't own it then. I have tried to buy this van for over ten years....I didn't want to make a big deal out of it...only wish I could have brought it home way back when George Bush SENIOR was President
maybe both it and the President weren't as rusty back then. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:07 am Post subject: Re: How rare is this bus and what is it worth? |
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| I have tried to buy this van for over ten years....I didn't want to make a big deal out of it... |
So now u want to turn it?
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Good call Kombi! 
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