4 Wheel Disc/ IRS rear/ New Brake Line Identify Help

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Hi all,

I have a couple questions. Hoping someone can help mark my brake line kit. I'll most likely have extra, or need a couple more lines. This is the correct kit for my 61'. (last pic below)

I have a DCMC (67' only without need of spacer)
Rear end is Type E, Brians IRS conversion.
I will be running 1 brake light switch
4 wheel disc brakes (Oregon Jeff's Narrowed drop beam)

Here is the plan:

And if anyone can help label some of my lines, Id really appreciate it. Most of which will make sense as I plumb this thing, but curirous of thoughts, and if I may need extra parts.

Think I have it sorted, mostly, but always love some feedback, especially with safety and brakes.

Thanks all.

-P

[pondoras box]

I’ve never used the Type E kit but I have done several IRS conversions and found out it’s much cheaper and easier to just make your own brake lines. Those kits are for stock buses and when you start converting the bus to IRS, dual circuit, and disc brakes it all changes.
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[Who.Me?]

If you have a look on OACDP, you'll find the brake lines listed with their lengths.

Looks like you have a single circuit kit? I only see nine lines. You'd need ten for a dual circuit kit. (It uses an extra very short line between the MC and the front Tee.)

You've already marked up the long line from the MC to the rear Tee.

Assuming that's a single circuit kit, the three shorter ones in the middle of your picture look to me to be: -
Shortest one - the 'S' that connects from rear Tee on the right hand frame horn, to the rear right flexy. I found that one to be a bastard to get in, but I used the CSP kit.
The other two are likely to be the two lines that would normally link the two cylinders within the front drum (not needed in your case).


The remainder are therefore likely to be:-
The hard lines that connect the rear flexies to the rear cylinders (probably two of the three to the left of the ones I've described above). The third of those is therefore likely to be the front line from the MC to the left hand front flexy.

A longer line that connects the rear Tee to the right-hand rear flexy (loops up and over the gearbox) Not sure if that's the far left or the one next to it in your picture.
A long one that connects from the front Tee to the left hand front flexy (whichever of the left hand two isn't the one that loops over the gearbox).
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[pondoras box]

I know Type E uses their own proprietary trailing arms whereas the ones I’ve used make do with stock type 1 swing arms. With stock swing arms you need to fabricate your own hard to soft line junction points. That is what’s going to change from a stock hardline kit to what you’re going to need. Going to dual circuit I found that none of the premade lines fit anywhere well. If you could post up your finished instal on the swing arms I would appreciate it because I am considering the Type E kit for my next IRS conversion.
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Looking for anything from Hal Casey Motors out of Hamburg New York, from license plate surrounds to matchbooks.

1961 23 Window (Bobo)
1965 11 Window (Zelda). https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=563183
1965 13 Window (Lucas)
1957 Oval ragtop
1960 hardtop
1964 hardtop
1965 hardtop
1988 Cabriolet VR6 conversion
Plus a lot of other rusty junk

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[BonTonRoulet]

For what it's worth in the documents/posts I've seen in this forum when it came time to upgrade my 66 single circuit master cylinder to the "67 only" type dual circuit master cylinder and keeping my stock drum brakes on all 4 corners, with regard to your diagram labeled "top view":

Front and rear ports on the left side are where I have 2 brake light switches.

Front right goes to the rear brakes.

Rear right goes to a new T that goes to the front right and front left brakes.

Good luck!
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[BonTonRoulet]

Maybe others will chime in, but seems like there is some built in "bias" to the master cylinder regarding which circuit actuates before the other. On a beetle or karmann ghia the master cylinder is oriented 180 degrees as compared to a bus. The front brakes are on the circuit farthest from the brake actuating rod and the rear circuit is closer to the actuating rod. That's why when you upgrade a single circuit master cylinder to the dual circuit master cylinder on a bus it just looks wrong to have the line to the rear brakes forward of the line(s) to the front brakes. Adding a T for the fronts works well at least with drum brakes as long as you keep the location of the T below the level of the master cylinder reservoir for air/bleeding reasons and the extra brake light switch gives you redundancy in that electrical circuit should you choose to wire them together. I'm suspect of that diagram in the first post.

Good Luck!
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[dtadpole]

"I failed to mention when I bought my 67' only DCMC from Brian at Type E, he did something to it prior to sending it out since I am running 4 wheel disc brakes, I can't recall what it was, removing something inside, or changing something?"

Probably was the relief valves inside the master cylinder. That will allow you to have disc brakes. I had to remove the front 2 for my front disc brakes.
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