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Braukuche
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 Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: 1960 double cab questions / 59-60 rear bumper |
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This is my first double cab and it is a bit rustic, no interior etc. Do double cabs take different rear bumpers than a kombi or standard? Should the bumpers be pointed or slashed? Did double cabs have perforated headliners or board material like the door panels? Did double cabs have arm rests in the back? Is the rear seat pedestal much different from a '63 up pedestal? Are the engine lids different from a standard?
Thanks for any help. I looked at some pix in the gallery but couldn't find any info on these matters.
--Dan
Summary of bumper differences
| Kommercial wrote: |
Here is a normal bumper, 61-67truck/59-67bus:
Here is a "truck only" bumper, 59-60
Notice the distance between the blade edge and overrider tube. About half as wide on the 59/60 version. Basically the blade edge is just ground back for more body clearance.
Both of these bumpers are cross compatible/will fit through all years on both buses and trucks. |
Note: Splash pans above should be black
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just on claras info
After the 5th of Jan 1960, ALL rear bumpers were the same for every model.
Prior to that 59-60 was the slash ute bumper only, an prior to that was the pressed ute bumpers.
right hand side near the bottom states it.
from chassis 554147
see the difference between the normal n pick up
the white one is the elusive bar, the black one a normal slash bar |
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Aaron
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Ok, as far as I know: rear bumper is different, so are the splash pans and it should be "slash" style on a '60, headliner should be fiber board, no arm rest in the back, not sure on the pedestal might be the same until '64?, engine lid is the same. Good luck with it....DCs are still my favorite style VW that were made.
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MConstable
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Another great site for truck info is dropgates.com...
Headliner is board material like the door panels,
Rear bumper is Truck-only, but near impossible to find.
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Clara 
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: 1960 double cab questions |
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| Braukuche wrote: |
This is my first double cab and it is a bit rustic, no interior etc. Do double cabs take different rear bumpers than a kombi or standard? Should the bumpers be pointed or slashed? Did double cabs have perforated headliners or board material like the door panels? Did double cabs have arm rests in the back? Is the rear seat pedestal much different from a '63 up pedestal? Are the engine lids different from a standard?
Thanks for any help. I looked at some pix in the gallery but couldn't find any info on these matters.
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What VIN? 59 though mid 60 had a truck rear that is very similar to regular rear... mid 60 & later (at VIN 554 147 in Jan 60) they standardise dthe rear bumper for all type IIs. Slash was used throuh mid(?)'65
No armrests. Grey masonite panels in rear, front and on ceiling. Strips of masonite between the 4 pieces of cab roof panel, not metal trim strips as in single cabs.
The only time the engine lid was special for trucks was for barndoors.
I dunno about rear seats in DCs
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Long-roofs
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I know the later (sometime around '63) double cabs had a flat rear seat bottom and base.
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Braukuche
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| Long-roofs wrote: |
| I know the later (sometime around '63) double cabs had a flat rear seat bottom and base. |
You guys are great! I'm at work so I don't have the VIN, but I'll post once I get home. So, what is the difference between a truck bumper and a standard? Is it impossible to use a standard bumper on a truck?
I've seen those repopped pedestals on this site and $500 is a lot of bones especially when there is a guy selling a used one for $185, but its for a "63 or later." I just wonder what the difference is??
Also, you say "flat seat bottom" I have what I beleive is a hump backed seat bottom for the back of mine. Is that correct then for '60?
Thanks again!
--Dan |
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matthew henricks
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More tidbits.
Middle and rear headliner panels have no pattern in the material as with all three rear side panels. Only the door panels, front kick panels and front headliner panels have the pattern. (That means you can make all of them from 1/8" fiber board from Home Depot if you have ratty ones for patterns  )
Rear seat pedistal changes:
Sometime in 60 the rear mounts flipped from going inside to outside. (or is it the other way around.... don't remember)
64 the dip along the front went away and the seat no longer was the same as the front seat. (minus the re-inforcment bar of course)
Another 1960 items is cut down side gates and all early DC's (pre 64 i think) have unique rear pop out window frames with Barn Door style latches. |
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Clara
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| Braukuche wrote: |
| So, what is the difference between a truck bumper and a standard? Is it impossible to use a standard bumper on a truck? |
It is a very small difference for the 59& later. Basically, don't worry about it unless you are doing a 100 point resto, just get a slash rear bumper, it fits fine.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:46 am Post subject: Re: 1960 double cab questions |
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| Clara wrote: |
| >snip>Grey masonite panels in rear, front and on ceiling. Strips of masonite between the 4 pieces of cab roof panel, not metal trim strips as in single cabs. <snip> |
hmmm, I do believe my 59 dc had the metal strips between the two front headliner panels and the thin middle headliner piece. the masonite strips were between the middle and large rear panels.
Also note, there are different stamp patterns on the back of the masonite. Make sure you find the correct years.
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Clara
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: Re: 1960 double cab questions |
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| Clara wrote: |
| >snip>Grey masonite panels in rear, front and on ceiling. Strips of masonite between the 4 pieces of cab roof panel, not metal trim strips as in single cabs. <snip> |
hmmm, I do believe my 59 dc had the metal strips between the two front headliner panels and the thin middle headliner piece. the masonite strips were between the middle and large rear panels. |
Really? Maybe that's a year thing... it is so hard to find good interior shots of DCs in the gallery... I looked through pages and pages and pages... eventually I found a few.
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Also note, there are different stamp patterns on the back of the masonite. Make sure you find the correct years. |
Yes there were different materials used as panels in different areas of the type IIs, it also changed depending on year of bus.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: Re: 1960 double cab questions |
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| Clara wrote: |
| Yes there were different materials used as panels in different areas of the type IIs, it also changed depending on year of bus. |
Just grab 'n' different front headliner pieces and flip them over, there are three different types of masonite that I have found.
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Here is a normal bumper, 61-67truck/59-67bus:
Here is a "truck only" bumper, 59-60
Notice the distance between the blade edge and overrider tube. About half as wide on the 59/60 version. Basically the blade edge is just ground back for more body clearance.
Both of these bumpers are cross compatible/will fit through all years on both buses and trucks. |
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Braukuche
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Thanks for the pix of the headliner and bumper. Makes it all clear, except what is that material along the seam of the headliner? Just headliner material I assume?
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More tidbits.
Middle and rear headliner panels have no pattern in the material as with all three rear side panels. Only the door panels, front kick panels and front headliner panels have the pattern. |
Is this true? And if so what about the strips between the front and middle headliner pieces? Patterned or no?
thx,
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Question on the cargo door window frame. was the frame a only truck window frame or is it the same for all bus types. I know the latch came with black knobs and different size where it bolts to the window frame.
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Truck only till 61
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