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Scotty Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Is the number on the reflector? If so I can't find one as there is some rust under the laquer... _________________
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I'd be curious to know the length of his tip.
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Scotty Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2003 Posts: 1531 Location: Northampton - Uk
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janerick3 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 1879 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Scotty wrote: |
Is the number on the reflector? If so I can't find one as there is some rust under the laquer... |
Bosch normally stamps (versus print) dates on everything. Check heavy gauge components. If a part number is visible, the date code is usually right next to it. If the bucket's been repainted, you may be out of luck. _________________ Thanks,
Jan K. |
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Scotty Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2003 Posts: 1531 Location: Northampton - Uk
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:55 am Post subject: |
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This is everything I can find on the back of the headlights
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I'd be curious to know the length of his tip.
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Anchovy Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2000 Posts: 2923 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Scotty wrote: |
Is the number on the reflector? If so I can't find one as there is some rust under the laquer... |
FYI - That type of rust under the laquer is called filiform corrosion. I had tons of that "worm-like" corrosion on my vintage aluminum travel trailer, under the clear-coat finish. For the inquiring minds, here is a link to more info. on filiform: http://www.chem.fsu.edu/editors/STEINBOCK/projects/ffc/ffc.htm |
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Anchovy Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2000 Posts: 2923 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, but the same seller had a real pair of Hella BD lenses which sold in a couple minutes for $300. |
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Rusting Hulk Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2002 Posts: 646 Location: Malvern UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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I have four 'barndoor' headlights the date codes are 04N which i believe is an original headlight to the bus. 52P which is a 57 headlight
and a pair of NOS lights which have date code V45 is this 63'?
they all have two rivets, correct spaced adjusters and all have the single spring type tension and screw terminal bulb holders. All have various markings on the lenses but are all Hella. _________________ 64 356 C Coupe |
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Anchovy Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2000 Posts: 2923 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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One of the og sealed-beam assemblies from my Nov '54 U.S. market Type 1 is dated "8N" and is of the revised design (the other is the older design and is dated 1954). I believe the mismatched set is the way it left the dealership back in 1955. The aftermarket sealed-beam sockets and cloth braided pigtails are strong evidence of a dealer install.
My Jan '55 parts car had one original bucket dated "53N" (53rd week of 1954). The other was replaced after an accident in the early '60s. This car also had the same (Cole-Boston) sockets with the cloth pigtails. |
Does the Nov '54 unit have two rivets? What about the "53N" unit? Can you please post photos of each. Thanks! |
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RockStock Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2004 Posts: 3929 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: janerick3’s Headlight Helpline |
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I have one headlight:
bucket -marked: ‘03M’, Typ 180E025-2L, hella logo
not sealed beam (bulb style reflector)
dual spring adjustment
chrome rim: single rivet, hella logo ‘btm’ (ie near tab)
lense: fluted, thin slither (7 lines wide), hella logo, no vw logo, circle
does that make it a 3rd week in 54? Seems to match janericks mid53/into54 headlight description, but with the hella marking on the bucket
I also have a pair:
bucket-marked: ‘37N’, 211.941.037A & 038A, hella & VW logo
sealed beam
single bail spring adjustment
chrome rim: dual rivet, no logo
lense: fluted thin slither (7 lines wide), hella logo at ‘btm’, vw logo ‘top’, circle
does that make this pair the 37nd week in 54? or 55? This pair seem to match janerick3’s ‘In the first weeks of 1955’ paragraph. I’m a bit confused with the L=53, M=54, N=54/55 thing? Is there a list we can have, janerick3?
I have other odds & sods, with buckets labelled 40S, 24T, and 28T. I assume these are later assemblies
I also have one spare lense as per the 37N headlight – can I call this a barndoor lense?
Knowing my luck, all the above are probably beetle…lol _________________ -StockRocks- |
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Anchovy Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2000 Posts: 2923 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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RockStock wrote: |
Re: janerick3’s Headlight Helpline |
janerick3's needs to set-up a 900 number and start charging for these nuggets of info. |
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janerick3 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 1879 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Scotty"]This is everything I can find on the back of the headlights
Scotty,
It looks like I see a "12Q" poorly stamped on the reflector. That would be the Bosch code for December, 1959. This would be correct, as VW changed over to asymmetric lenses for Type 2s on 1 June 1960. I suspect the adjustment screws on Bosch assemblies went from 9 and 12 o'clock to 1 and 7 o'clock at that time. _________________ Thanks,
Jan K. |
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janerick3 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 1879 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:46 am Post subject: Re: janerick3’s Headlight Helpline |
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RockStock wrote: |
Is there a list we can have, janerick3? |
Ho Ho Ho...here's the list:
Hella: 1952 & earlier=?, 1953=L, 1954=M, 1955=N, 1956=P, 1957=S, 1958=T, 1959=U, 1960=V, 1961=W, 1962=X, 1963=Z, 1964=A, 1965-B, 1966=C, 1967=D
Bosch (Start at A in 1945): 1949=E, 1950=F, 1951=G, 1952=H, 1953=J, 1954=K, 1955=L, 1956=M, 1957=N, 1958=P, 1959=Q, 1960=R, 1961=S, 1962=T, 1963=U (3-digit numbering system starts in 1964) _________________ Thanks,
Jan K. |
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Scotty Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2003 Posts: 1531 Location: Northampton - Uk
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the info, very helpful indeed (if not a little depressing!) _________________
EverettB wrote: |
I'd be curious to know the length of his tip.
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grasse-performance Samba Member
Joined: January 15, 2005 Posts: 38
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Cool Thread
Here's mine from a June '53 bus. They seem to have the big sliver (what is the width of it compared to a standard one?), Hella logo and a single rivet ring.
Thanks to jenerik3's list they seem to be week 19 1953 |
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Anchovy Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2000 Posts: 2923 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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grasse-performance wrote: |
Cool Thread
Here's mine from a June '53 bus. They seem to have the big sliver (what is the width of it compared to a standard one?), |
I like how RockStock measured the sliver by counting the number of "flute lines" in the sliver. He notes that his small sliver lenses are "7 lines" wide. The big sliver is 16 lines wide on the Hella lens and the sliver is about 38 mm across at the thickest point....but hard to measure.
I think the line count method is the way to describe how thick the sliver is.
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RockStock Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2004 Posts: 3929 Location: England
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: |
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janerick3 wrote: |
Ho Ho Ho...here's the list |
thank you Santa janerick3!
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my 37N headlights have cross-headed fixing screws, not flat-headed
should they be flat-headed? _________________ -StockRocks- |
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janerick3 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: |
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RockStock wrote: |
my 37N headlights have cross-headed fixing screws, not flat-headed
should they be flat-headed? |
They should be flat-headed. Phillips head screws were used from about January 1966 on Hella units. The fixing screw changed from a domed to a squared profile somewhere around August 1955 (approximately the time the Type 1 vent lock button's profile changed). _________________ Thanks,
Jan K. |
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RockStock Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:15 am Post subject: |
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janerick3 wrote: |
The fixing screw changed from a domed to a squared profile somewhere around August 1955 |
OMG - it's getting to the stage where i'm deliberating bailing out! _________________ -StockRocks- |
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Rusting Hulk Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2002 Posts: 646 Location: Malvern UK
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:00 am Post subject: |
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liar _________________ 64 356 C Coupe |
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bigbulli Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:43 am Post subject: |
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janerick3 wrote: |
RockStock wrote: |
my 37N headlights have cross-headed fixing screws, not flat-headed
should they be flat-headed? |
They should be flat-headed. Phillips head screws were used from about January 1966 on Hella units. The fixing screw changed from a domed to a squared profile somewhere around August 1955 (approximately the time the Type 1 vent lock button's profile changed). |
Anal Si I bet your loving this! _________________ 1954 Barndoor
1955 Oval |
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