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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the number on the reflector? If so I can't find one as there is some rust under the laquer...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adverts like this don't help either! lol

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is the number on the reflector? If so I can't find one as there is some rust under the laquer...


Bosch normally stamps (versus print) dates on everything. Check heavy gauge components. If a part number is visible, the date code is usually right next to it. If the bucket's been repainted, you may be out of luck.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is everything I can find on the back of the headlights

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is the number on the reflector? If so I can't find one as there is some rust under the laquer...


FYI - That type of rust under the laquer is called filiform corrosion. I had tons of that "worm-like" corrosion on my vintage aluminum travel trailer, under the clear-coat finish. For the inquiring minds, here is a link to more info. on filiform: http://www.chem.fsu.edu/editors/STEINBOCK/projects/ffc/ffc.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Adverts like this don't help either! lol

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Yes, but the same seller had a real pair of Hella BD lenses which sold in a couple minutes for $300.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have four 'barndoor' headlights the date codes are 04N which i believe is an original headlight to the bus. 52P which is a 57 headlight
and a pair of NOS lights which have date code V45 is this 63'?
they all have two rivets, correct spaced adjusters and all have the single spring type tension and screw terminal bulb holders. All have various markings on the lenses but are all Hella.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of the og sealed-beam assemblies from my Nov '54 U.S. market Type 1 is dated "8N" and is of the revised design (the other is the older design and is dated 1954). I believe the mismatched set is the way it left the dealership back in 1955. The aftermarket sealed-beam sockets and cloth braided pigtails are strong evidence of a dealer install.

My Jan '55 parts car had one original bucket dated "53N" (53rd week of 1954). The other was replaced after an accident in the early '60s. This car also had the same (Cole-Boston) sockets with the cloth pigtails.


Does the Nov '54 unit have two rivets? What about the "53N" unit? Can you please post photos of each. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:23 pm    Post subject: janerick3’s Headlight Helpline Reply with quote

I have one headlight:

    bucket -marked: ‘03M’, Typ 180E025-2L, hella logo
    not sealed beam (bulb style reflector)
    dual spring adjustment
    chrome rim: single rivet, hella logo ‘btm’ (ie near tab)
    lense: fluted, thin slither (7 lines wide), hella logo, no vw logo, circle

does that make it a 3rd week in 54? Seems to match janericks mid53/into54 headlight description, but with the hella marking on the bucket

I also have a pair:

    bucket-marked: ‘37N’, 211.941.037A & 038A, hella & VW logo
    sealed beam
    single bail spring adjustment
    chrome rim: dual rivet, no logo
    lense: fluted thin slither (7 lines wide), hella logo at ‘btm’, vw logo ‘top’, circle

does that make this pair the 37nd week in 54? or 55? Confused This pair seem to match janerick3’s ‘In the first weeks of 1955’ paragraph. I’m a bit confused with the L=53, M=54, N=54/55 thing? Is there a list we can have, janerick3?

I have other odds & sods, with buckets labelled 40S, 24T, and 28T. I assume these are later assemblies

I also have one spare lense as per the 37N headlight – can I call this a barndoor lense? Confused
Knowing my luck, all the above are probably beetle…lol
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Re: janerick3’s Headlight Helpline


janerick3's needs to set-up a 900 number and start charging for these nuggets of info.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Scotty"]This is everything I can find on the back of the headlights


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Scotty,

It looks like I see a "12Q" poorly stamped on the reflector. That would be the Bosch code for December, 1959. This would be correct, as VW changed over to asymmetric lenses for Type 2s on 1 June 1960. I suspect the adjustment screws on Bosch assemblies went from 9 and 12 o'clock to 1 and 7 o'clock at that time.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:46 am    Post subject: Re: janerick3’s Headlight Helpline Reply with quote

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Is there a list we can have, janerick3?


Ho Ho Ho...here's the list:

Hella: 1952 & earlier=?, 1953=L, 1954=M, 1955=N, 1956=P, 1957=S, 1958=T, 1959=U, 1960=V, 1961=W, 1962=X, 1963=Z, 1964=A, 1965-B, 1966=C, 1967=D

Bosch (Start at A in 1945): 1949=E, 1950=F, 1951=G, 1952=H, 1953=J, 1954=K, 1955=L, 1956=M, 1957=N, 1958=P, 1959=Q, 1960=R, 1961=S, 1962=T, 1963=U (3-digit numbering system starts in 1964)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the info, very helpful indeed (if not a little depressing!)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Thread Cool

Here's mine from a June '53 bus. They seem to have the big sliver (what is the width of it compared to a standard one?), Hella logo and a single rivet ring.

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Thanks to jenerik3's list they seem to be week 19 1953 Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cool Thread Cool

Here's mine from a June '53 bus. They seem to have the big sliver (what is the width of it compared to a standard one?),


I like how RockStock measured the sliver by counting the number of "flute lines" in the sliver. He notes that his small sliver lenses are "7 lines" wide. The big sliver is 16 lines wide on the Hella lens and the sliver is about 38 mm across at the thickest point....but hard to measure.

I think the line count method is the way to describe how thick the sliver is.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ho Ho Ho...here's the list

thank you Santa janerick3!

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my 37N headlights have cross-headed fixing screws, not flat-headed
should they be flat-headed?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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my 37N headlights have cross-headed fixing screws, not flat-headed
should they be flat-headed?


They should be flat-headed. Phillips head screws were used from about January 1966 on Hella units. The fixing screw changed from a domed to a squared profile somewhere around August 1955 (approximately the time the Type 1 vent lock button's profile changed).
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The fixing screw changed from a domed to a squared profile somewhere around August 1955


OMG - it's getting to the stage where i'm deliberating bailing out!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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RockStock wrote:
my 37N headlights have cross-headed fixing screws, not flat-headed
should they be flat-headed?


They should be flat-headed. Phillips head screws were used from about January 1966 on Hella units. The fixing screw changed from a domed to a squared profile somewhere around August 1955 (approximately the time the Type 1 vent lock button's profile changed).



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