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todd73ghia Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: Dashpad vin tag |
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I was hoping someone could do me a favor and measure the size (length-width) of their dashpad vehicle identification number tag?
Mine got lost and I'm making a replacement.
Also, are they rectangullar with sharp corners or rounded?
Does the VIN include anything other than the number?
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Ghiaddict Samba Member

Joined: November 20, 2002 Posts: 2632 Location: Now in Honea Path, SC
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:32 am Post subject: |
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Here's a VIN tag from a 1973 Ghia dash:
_________________ ****************************
Karmann Ghia & Beetle parts available.
Convertible tops installed. |
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todd73ghia Samba Member

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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:18 am Post subject: |
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That's awesome. Thanks.
Mine's a '73 too. Very close VIN: 1432722167 |
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Braukuche Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| todd73ghia wrote: |
That's awesome. Thanks.
Mine's a '73 too. Very close VIN: 1432722167 |
My '74 came with a different pan, stripped interior (so no dash plate) but did come with a tag with a number series riveted to the inside of the trunk, near the latch. What is that number?
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awj_woody Samba Member

Joined: December 24, 2006 Posts: 189 Location: Port Hueneme, CA
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| how do you plan to attatch it to the dash? i had to remove mine off of my old dash. they used some sort of long brads to hold it on. |
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74Ghia Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2003 Posts: 2131 Location: Middle of Georgia
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 10:23 am Post subject: |
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They're attached with a small sheetmetal screw at each end. _________________ Allen C.
2012 Silverado
53 FiberFab MG TD Replica (VW)
Life is hard and its harder if you're stupid. |
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Gary Person of Interest
Joined: November 01, 2002 Posts: 17069 Location: 127.0.0.1
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| 74Ghia wrote: |
| They're attached with a small sheetmetal screw at each end. |
Actually, I believe VW used blind rivets. _________________ West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943) |
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todd73ghia Samba Member

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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, I've got my new repro VIN tag. Could someone please post a picture of their installed dashpad? I need to see exactly where the VIN is positioned and oriented on the dash.
Thanks in advance.
Todd |
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Lonette Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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From my 73 coupe.
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todd73ghia Samba Member

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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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That's what I'm talking about! Thx.
I had a local trophy shop engrave a metal tag with correct VIN # and vw logo. I'll post a picture after I install it.
Nice Dash BTW. Is that original? |
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todd73ghia Samba Member

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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Patinsd,
What kind of fire exinguisher to you have? is it halon? |
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Lonette Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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The dash is not original but it's not fiberglass .
It's from KGPR .
ya ,send picture of your VIN # and tell us how much you pay for it .
The exinguisher is from Costco (you get 2 for $18.00) and they fit perferctly between the seat frame and the chanel.I do not know with what it is filled but it's marine type for A-B-C fire . |
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todd73ghia Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: |
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$2 from local trophy shop. I had to trim the ends, so not so perfect.
Luckily, i bought 4 of them.
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Ghiaddict Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Looks real good!
I'm surprised they even agreed to put
that VW logo on there. Most places around
here won't do it, because of the trademark issue
that VW is so fond of closely protecting. _________________ ****************************
Karmann Ghia & Beetle parts available.
Convertible tops installed. |
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Marlonius Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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I'm impressed with your repro dash VIN.
Has anyone ever done the same with the trunk VIN tag? My '66 had a nosejob graft and came to me without its original Aluminum tag in the front.
-Marlon |
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todd73ghia Samba Member

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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure if you took a picture of one to a trophy shop; they might be willing to do it? That's all I did. Another idea is to go to petstore that has one of those dog tag engraving machines. If they've got a rectangle/square one, you could easily have it engrave everything...except the logo.
Or try these guys. Not sure how expensive they would be, but they look awesome.
http://www.datatags.com/
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Marlonius Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Todd, I'll try a few of those ideas.
I have another tag from a junked '69, but it has the wrong # of course. I wonder if I could use that as a basis and get the new # installed. I went to a trophy shop a few years ago that was largely run by hippy types...I think I'll try there first.
-Marlon |
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d4g4m Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2007 Posts: 22 Location: Sarasota Flaraduh
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: dashpad VIN tag |
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I know you guys are trying to make your vehicles look restored/original. But what you are doing with VIN tags is illegal.
The Fed Govt required that VIN tags be added to dashboards to allow law enforcement and car dealers easier access to the VIN without having to open hoods, doors, crawl under cars or remove seats. the problem with the VIN tag on the dash was that car theives caught on fast that this would be the only place that police would look. So the theives went to junk yards to get a similar tag for the stolen vehicle. Some looked really bad, crumpled. bent, scratched, attached with scres and glue.
All 50 states immediately amended their vehicle and traffic laws to include a new section called 'altered VIN' making it a criminal offense to alter, produce, possess. move, cover, replace or change in any way the appearance or attachment of the original tag.
But a problem developed with the dash location because the dash might need replacing at some time. That's why the additional tag is now attached to the left window post or the left bottom of the windshield frame. Also making it more difficult to alter.
the bottom line is that if you are ever stopped for a traffic infraction and the officer sees your home made/store bought VIN tag, be prepared to spend a few hours of 'further investigation ' at police headqueaters.
To save yourself some grief, I suggest that if you replace your dash, leave the VIN tag off. If you are questioned about where is the tag, tellthem you replaced the dash and remove the rear seat to show the VIN [and of course the that # must match the # on your vehicle registration/title] |
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Gary Person of Interest
Joined: November 01, 2002 Posts: 17069 Location: 127.0.0.1
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: dashpad VIN tag |
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| d4g4m wrote: |
I know you guys are trying to make your vehicles look restored/original. But what you are doing with VIN tags is illegal.
The Fed Govt required that VIN tags be added to dashboards to allow law enforcement and car dealers easier access to the VIN without having to open hoods, doors, crawl under cars or remove seats. the problem with the VIN tag on the dash was that car theives caught on fast that this would be the only place that police would look. So the theives went to junk yards to get a similar tag for the stolen vehicle. Some looked really bad, crumpled. bent, scratched, attached with scres and glue.
All 50 states immediately amended their vehicle and traffic laws to include a new section called 'altered VIN' making it a criminal offense to alter, produce, possess. move, cover, replace or change in any way the appearance or attachment of the original tag.
But a problem developed with the dash location because the dash might need replacing at some time. That's why the additional tag is now attached to the left window post or the left bottom of the windshield frame. Also making it more difficult to alter.
the bottom line is that if you are ever stopped for a traffic infraction and the officer sees your home made/store bought VIN tag, be prepared to spend a few hours of 'further investigation ' at police headqueaters.
To save yourself some grief, I suggest that if you replace your dash, leave the VIN tag off. If you are questioned about where is the tag, tellthem you replaced the dash and remove the rear seat to show the VIN [and of course the that # must match the # on your vehicle registration/title |
So if someone replaces the VIN tag on the car to match the other tag on the body, or the pan, it's illegal?
Honestly, I don't think the state would give a rat's ass, especially when the car in question is being restored. I would be hard-pressed to believe that if someone restores the tag on the dashpad of his VW, that some DMV type is going to know that it isn't original.
Many states out east don't even issue a title to a vehicle over 20 years old, and in some cases the odometer reading is listed as "UNKNOWN" when it has hit 100,000 miles.
Also, isn't removing the VIN tag an alteration? As you pointed out, wouldn't that be illegal? _________________ West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943) |
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todd73ghia Samba Member

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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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If my car could ever exceed the speed limits, i might be worried.  |
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