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karmann1952
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 Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject: Seal kit for Westfalia/Whale water pump |
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Hi together,
has anybody an idea where I can buy a seal kit for the whale hand pump?
Greetings from germany
Claus
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cris torlasco
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Hi Claus;
Try a marine shop that has been in business for a while. Some of them used to carry these, since they were also used in boats.
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Type2meister
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Claus,
Check out their website here:
http://www.whalepumps.com/caravan_RV/
On the left side is a link for distributors of their products, maybe you could email and check with them.
Here is a shot of my Whale sink pump, I haven't tried it yet to see if it works:
Does yours have this little sticker on it? Maybe somebody just stuck it there for fun.
Good luck,
Paul |
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karmann1952
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| Type2meister wrote: |
Hi Claus,
Check out their website here:
http://www.whalepumps.com/caravan_RV/
On the left side is a link for distributors of their products, maybe you could email and check with them.
Here is a shot of my Whale sink pump, I haven't tried it yet to see if it works:
Does yours have this little sticker on it? Maybe somebody just stuck it there for fun.
Good luck,
Paul |
Hi Paul,
thanks for the link. The sticker is original! I have the same one on my pump.
Bye
Claus
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- 1966 T1 Westie SO-44 Dormobile
- 1963 Export 1200 Judson
- 1953 Export Zwitter sunroof
- 1952 Barndoor Panel Van
- 1952 Karmann Kabriolett
- 1950 Hebmuller 14-00684
- 1950 Hebmuller 14-00523
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cris torlasco
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In case it helps, this came with one of my Westys:
I contacted Whale about one year ago. They told me that they didn't have any parts left for those old models. They are mostly into electric pumps these days. However, they still were offering a basic hand pump model, perhaps the seals/gaskets are close enough? He said that he was going to send me an old Whale pump that he had sitting around, but never did...This thread reminded me about that, I better follow up!
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Rain's Westy
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| I looked around alot for parts for these and came up with nothing useful .The orignal UK company that made them may to have changed ownership or something... anyone got any Ideas? |
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vwboop
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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If that is the same pump Dormobile used (pretty sure it is) they still had stock on those when I last checked. Give them a try.
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vwboop
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Just checked - in the 2005 DORMOBILE catalog it lists:
WHALE pump and tap - found in early split window Dormobile conversions with rear kitchen layout. These were fitted on top of the sink unit. - 42.50 (that's sterling or GBP).
Their number is +44 (0) 1794 830831 or e-mail [email protected]
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DonsvwS
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| i sent an e mail to that and never got a response , anyone have one or conections to one ? |
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cris torlasco
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| mike spadafora wrote: |
| The orignal UK company that made them |
As far as I remember, they were an Irish company.
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NASkeet
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| Type2meister wrote: |
Hi Claus,
Check out their website here:
http://www.whalepumps.com/caravan_RV/
On the left side is a link for distributors of their products, maybe you could email and check with them.
Here is a shot of my Whale sink pump, I haven't tried it yet to see if it works:
Does yours have this little sticker on it? Maybe somebody just stuck it there for fun.
Good luck,
Paul |
Whale is the brand name of Munster Simms Engineering in Northern Ireland, of which I recently provided a scan of a 1989 catalogue
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/1989_whale_water_system.php
There are other styles of Whale hand-operated pumps in the 1985 Bilge & Galley Pump catalogue, of which I shall soon be submitting scans to The Samba Archive.
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 5:06 am Post subject: Re: Seal kit for Westfalia/Whale water pump |
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Here's a Whale Flipper Pump, substituted on a 1973 VW Type 2 Westfalia Continental, in place of the original American-made, hand-operated reciprocating pump.
A useful, neat, foot-operated freshwater pump for motor-caravans & trailer-caravans, is the Whale Tiptoe pump, which features in my 1985 Whale Bilge & Galley Pumps brochure.
https://whale.navico.com/
https://whale.navico.com/caravan-motorhome/water-pumps/
John Wickersham, Guide to caravan water pipes and pumps, Practical Caravan, 5th August 2015
https://www.practicalcaravan.com/advice/guide-to-caravan-water-pipes-and-pumps
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Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
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ted698
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2025 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Seal kit for Westfalia/Whale water pump |
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Whale Service kits can still be found - search on eBay.
As they were a UK (ish) company, often the UK eBay comes up trumps. Often sold as old obsolete stock from Hardware shops, or old Chandlers/Boat Yards etc
This Angled Whale Tap, was also fitted to a lot of UK produced VW Campers (Devons, Dormobiles etc etc) and Boats from the 60's and it requires Whale Service Kit SK0103 to repair.
These SK0103 kits are becoming tricky to find now, although I managed to fix mine by purchasing a similar vintage Whale Service Kit SK0219 for a Low Profile Pump Mk1 and II, as I noticed this kit contained some of the same parts (but not all).
The important seal you need is the rubber 'cup washer' seal that goes on the bottom of the main pump shaft - it looks very much like a brake wheel cylinder seal, both SK0103 and SK0219 contain this seal. (E653-15). This is the main seal that does most of the work lifting the water, and seals the moving pump shaft to the body.
One of the pics below shows the 'check ball' and the rubber cup seal removed from the bottom of the main pump shaft - I strongly recommend you do not attempt to unscrew this part, and just replace the seal by stretching it over and into the recess, as these almost never come undone (alloy corrosion!) and you will destroy your vintage pump if you try too hard!
Hope some of this info helps :thumb:
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Seal kit for Westfalia/Whale water pump |
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Everett Barnes has now uploaded my scans of the 1985 Whale Bilge & Galley Pumps brochure [including the Whale Angled Freshwater Pump (Mk. IV), on Page 34] so here is the link:
1985 Munster Simms Whale Bilge & Galley Pumps Brochure
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/1985_munster_simms_pumps.php
Pages 1 & 44 - Front cover & Back cover - Whale Water Systems
Pages 22 & 23 - Whale XL Mixer Shower Unit & Whale Single Taps
Pages 24 & 25 - Whale Mixer Taps & Whale Shower Unit
Pages 32 & 33 - Whale 'V' Pump (Mk. V) & Whale Flipper Pump (Mk. IV)
Pages 34 & 35 - Whale Angled Freshwater Pump (Mk. IV) & Whale Gusher Galley Pump (Mk. III)
Pages 38 & 39 - Whale Tiptoe Pump (Mk. IV) & Hints on Whale Galley Pumps
Pages 42 & 43 - Typical Installations using Whale Pumps and Accessories
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Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Seal kit for Westfalia/Whale water pump |
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| ted698 wrote: |
Whale Service kits can still be found - search on eBay.
As they were a UK (ish) company, often the UK eBay comes up trumps. Often sold as old obsolete stock from Hardware shops, or old Chandlers/Boat Yards etc
This Angled Whale Tap, was also fitted to a lot of UK produced VW Campers (Devons, Dormobiles etc etc) and Boats from the 60's and it requires Whale Service Kit SK0103 to repair.
These SK0103 kits are becoming tricky to find now, although I managed to fix mine by purchasing a similar vintage Whale Service Kit SK0219 for a Low Profile Pump Mk1 and II, as I noticed this kit contained some of the same parts (but not all).
The important seal you need is the rubber 'cup washer' seal that goes on the bottom of the main pump shaft - it looks very much like a brake wheel cylinder seal, both SK0103 and SK0219 contain this seal. (E653-15). This is the main seal that does most of the work lifting the water, and seals the moving pump shaft to the body.
One of the pics below shows the 'check ball' and the rubber cup seal removed from the bottom of the main pump shaft - I strongly recommend you do not attempt to unscrew this part, and just replace the seal by stretching it over and into the recess, as these almost never come undone (alloy corrosion!) and you will destroy your vintage pump if you try too hard!
Hope some of this info helps :thumb:
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The 1989 Whale Water Systems price list, gives details of several pump service kits, including the one (SK0103) for the hand-operated Whale Angled Freshwater Pumps (Mk.2 ~ Mk.4).
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/1989_whale_water_system.php
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Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
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type21f
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Seal kit for Westfalia/Whale water pump |
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Whale water pump service kit SK0219 for Low Profile
Freshwater Pump
Mk 1 and Mk Il.
Vertical style
As fitted to boats etc. and several conversions including Westfalia, Devon
This kit contains seals etc.
1 Handle Buffer E653-04
1 U Packing E653-05
1 Cup Washer E653-15
1 O Ring E700-07
1 Base Valve E704-10
Some items common to kit SK0103 for mk1 mk11 pump See
Last two photos for details of common parts.
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