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Hybrid_Hatch
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 Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:43 am Post subject: nOOb Looking for some advise - 12-13 second street Bug |
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Hello All!
My name is David and I am getting back into VW's after 11 years of not having one. I currently am making a list to build me up a 12 to 13 second street bug but sense I did this last everything seems to have changed or I just forgot alot.
What would be a good combo engine wise for a engine that will put say a 66 sedan into the 13's at a minimum? car is basically all stock but lowered on spindals in the front and 2 splines in the rear. I will be getting some good shocks and building a trans to take the abuse of slicks but after reading some post of people with 2180's running 15's in the 1320 I want to make sure Iam going to do this right. |
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krusher
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
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Depends on the gearing and spec on the engine.
You use short gear ratios and a Drag race power curved engine and 13's will be possible.
Thouse guys with the 15 sec 2180 would beat all over you on a road trip though.
Horses for courses.
Whats your engine budget? |
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Hybrid_Hatch
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Iam looking at around $3000 to do a engine up nicely.
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from what I can see so far it looks like I might go 2165 for the motor, will this do the job?
78x94
9.0-1 compression
041 heads with 40x32
120 engle cam
dual 44 webers
does this sound like a ok combo and with the right gearing do you think 13's are in it?
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thetravman
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:57 am Post subject: |
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double it.
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Hybrid_Hatch
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| I will be doing all the work myself so I think I can pull this motor off for 3G's as I already have the carbs and a new block. |
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grimace007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:09 am Post subject: |
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those carbs will hold you back a bit.
but should be doable i think
dont skimp on headwork.
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67jason
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| Hybrid_Hatch wrote: |
Iam looking at around $3000 to do a engine up nicely.
*edit*
from what I can see so far it looks like I might go 2165 for the motor, will this do the job?
78x94
9.0-1 compression
041 heads with 40x32
120 engle cam
dual 44 webers
does this sound like a ok combo and with the right gearing do you think 13's are in it? |
get better heads have a good porter invest some time with them.
use an engle fk 7 or 8 (or equivilant) cam with 1.4 ratio rockers.
carbs might hold you back, but with good head work should be doable.
your going to need around 160-170hp to run mid 13s all day long.
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Hybrid_Hatch
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:19 am Post subject: |
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ok what would be better for carbs? 48's? also what heads would work better?
also I will be doing the port work so they will be nice when Iam finished.
I am not new to the building, porting, racing thing, just new to all motor as I have a low 10 second turbo civic hatchback but going back to the carbed 1 cam route for a street car and to keep the police from giving me "smog" tickets here in cali. |
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67jason
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: |
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the variouse 044 heads from cb performance are pretty decent right out of the box. fluff and buff the ports and match the manifolds to really wake them up.
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Hybrid_Hatch
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| ok looks good thus far, I am looking at the 044 part number 1443 which are now on my list and a set of 48mm carbs. |
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grimace007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: |
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personally id go with hand ported heads.
steve tims
drd racing heads
jeff denham
can all offer you some badass heads
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mharney
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: |
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You'll spend half that budget on heads, and if you don't spend more than the balance on other parts of the engine, 11 seconds might actually be the lifespan, not the ET.
The assembly isn't what costs.. it's the parts. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: |
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You won't get 13's with the parts listed in your 1st post.
$3000 is very tight to get 13's in a street Bug. You need to add $1000 for a safety net. Your 2165 will get you there if you spend $800 + on good hand ported heads. I'd choose an Engle FK8 cam and 1.4 ratio rockers. Your 44 IDF's should be OK if you upgrade them with 38mm venturies. Now budget another $1200 for a tranny/axles that will turn slicks.
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The 32mm exhaust valve will hold you back...
The rest of the package will work nicely on a hot street motor but will struggle to get you in the 12's
78x94
9.0-1 compression
041 heads with 40x32
120 engle cam
dual 44 webers
Dont get too crazy porting the heads. Think velocity thru the heads.
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| hpw wrote: |
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| Now budget another $1200 for a tranny/axles that will turn slicks. |
wow your getting some good parts for only $1200?  |
I was wondering the same thing. Care to share your sources? |
I think he builds his own |
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Hybrid_Hatch
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:30 am Post subject: |
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$3000 is going to be for engine only, I have another $2000 plotted for transaxle.
Iam re-doing my list right now and will post back in a few minutes with what Iam thinking will work and total cost that I "think" will do the job, if all else fails I will turbo this engine as I know a few things about boost.
I also will hand port my own cylinder heads, I got my current honda cylinder head over 320 cfm at 28 inches of h20 so I think I will be ok doing the heads for my street engine. |
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