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thom
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 Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: Wheel trim rings for a '56? |
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What trim rings/beauty rings would be correct - or acceptable - for the wheels of my '56? I bought a set a while back, but I think I got sold some generic American car rings.
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Lind
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the trim rings for '56 and earlier VWs are slightly different. the opening for the tire valve is half round, instead of the later style which has a slight flat spot on the bottom of the opening. also the shape of the tabs that hold it onto the wheel are slightly different. you really have to know what you are looking for to tell the difference when it is installed onto the car. the '56 and earlier rings are very hard to find. I have only owned two early ones out of the fifty or so 15" trim rings that I have owned. I would recommend just using the later trim rings. they are the same as you would find on convertible beetles or deluxe buses. they are stamped lemmerz on the tab near the opening for the valve.
I'll take some pics later tonight to detail the differences.
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Have you seen these trim rings? .http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=433533
These are made out of stainless and the originals are made out of aluminum and are anodized. The originals are difficult to find and when you do find some they're usually pretty messed up. You would probably end up spending $300-$400 just to get them straightened, stripped and polished. These look like the most accurate reproduction trim rings that I have seen available. The price also seems very reasonable. |
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Lind
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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the early ring is on the inside, the late ring is on the outside
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56GoldeGhia
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Yes Lind, you are right about the little differences but I have found a NOS set dated 59 and they look the same as your early version. Maybe they were produced longer then 56?
Have you seen the headliner on your old Golde roof? Just installed it. It is in my Gallery! |
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Lind
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Yes Lind, you are right about the little differences but I have found a NOS set dated 59 and they look the same as your early version. Maybe they were produced longer then 56?[img]https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/333353.jpg
Have you seen the headliner on your old Golde roof? Just installed it. It is in my Gallery! |
the ones with the half-round cutouts between the tabs are the later version. the ones with the diagonal + half round cutouts between the tabs are the earlier version.
I'm not exactly sure when the split was, because I don't have any '57 rings, but the '55 and '56 rings are the early style, and '58 rings are the late style.
the headliner on your sunroof looks awesome. that whole car looks awesome. I feel a lot better about selling that sunroof seeing how good of a job you are doing with it. (I had some serious sellers remorse at first)
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56GoldeGhia
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Thanks for your compliments, Lind!
I have to take a closer look at my Lemmerz rings.  |
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thom
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I bought a set of repro (actually Ford - ick!) rings from HOG
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56GoldeGhia
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Looks very good Thom!
Comes very close to the real deal!
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Lind
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Looks very good Thom!
Comes very close to the real deal!
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Yes Mike said he's now using them on his '59 Edmonson Ghia after one of his newly rechromed Lemmerz turned left when his car turned right. Fortunately he realised and went back and picked it up.
The SS ones are a tighter fit and as you say a pretty good match. Save the real thing for best. |
how does the curvature match between the lemmerz and the repros? I picked up an old repro, or maybe an original ford ring in a junkyard about ten years ago and it was slightly smaller and there was less curvature than on a lemmerz ring.
to make the lemmerz rings fit tighter, just bend the tabs out. if it is hard to get onto the wheel, it will be hard to get off.
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56GoldeGhia
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| Here in Europe they also use early Volvo rings. They fit perfect except for the little curve in the middle. It is hard to find early Ford rings over here! |
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thom
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Yes
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here's a pic of the Lemmerz ring on my ghia. The outer edge of the trim ring has a noticeable flat spot, where the Ford ring does not, or at least it's not as pronounced.
The other difference is the width of the ring...the Lemmerz is more narrow and shows a little of the outer wheel rim on the inside edge of the ring. The Ford ring pretty much goes all the way to the inside hub.
The convex shape of the repro trim ring is a pretty good match to the Lemmerz ring. All-in-All a good substitute.
I'll snap some side to side pics of the rings later this week and put them up......
Here is a pic of the Ford ring on the same wheel......
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| I'll snap some side to side pics of the rings later this week and put them up...... |
Could you snap a couple pix of the backside, too? I had someone PM me with a request for that, but I don't know when I'll get to it.
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thom
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I bought mine from HOG
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