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buggen
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 Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:41 am Post subject: Split Bug Horn Covers |
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My early 51 has a steel can protecting the horn under the fender. This part is also shown in my 52 and older factory workshop manual. Does anyone know how many years these were used for and if they were on Hebs as well?
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splitjunkie
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my October 51 has that can.
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53 0val
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Split Bug Horn Covers |
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| buggen wrote: |
My early 51 has a steel can protecting the horn under the fender. This part is also shown in my 52 and older factory workshop manual. Does anyone know how many years these were used for and if they were on Hebs as well?
Thanks,
Matt |
Post up a picture Matt. I don't think I know what you mean. 
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johnshenry
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I'll post a pic of mine later. It is easily missed in the '50 manual, as it is shown as a simple line around the horn, and there are no pics of it. My '52-'57 manual does not show it, so my guess is that it might have been dropped aroud the zwitter time frame.
These are very rare parts, and many people never knew they existed. Also, I have seen some repros that are not correct, they are missing the radial "finger" pressing on the back that allowed extra room for the wire to run behind the mounting spar inside the can...
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johnshenry
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Split Bug Horn Covers |
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| buggen wrote: |
My early 51 has a steel can protecting the horn under the fender. This part is also shown in my 52 and older factory workshop manual. Does anyone know how many years these were used for and if they were on Hebs as well?
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Matt |
Post up a picture Matt. I don't think I know what you mean. |
Its a "split" part Bob, you wouldn't understand..... 
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53 0val
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Split Bug Horn Covers |
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| buggen wrote: |
My early 51 has a steel can protecting the horn under the fender. This part is also shown in my 52 and older factory workshop manual. Does anyone know how many years these were used for and if they were on Hebs as well?
Thanks,
Matt |
Post up a picture Matt. I don't think I know what you mean. |
Its a "split" part Bob, you wouldn't understand..... |
I have owned two splits John. (in this case, it's probably my memory  ) Pun on the word "case" 
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johnshenry
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Split Bug Horn Covers |
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| johnshenry wrote: |
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| buggen wrote: |
My early 51 has a steel can protecting the horn under the fender. This part is also shown in my 52 and older factory workshop manual. Does anyone know how many years these were used for and if they were on Hebs as well?
Thanks,
Matt |
Post up a picture Matt. I don't think I know what you mean. |
Its a "split" part Bob, you wouldn't understand..... |
I have owned two splits John. (in this case, it's probably my memory ) Pun on the word "case" |
I know, just raggin' on ya.....
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Suboval
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Here you go Bob.
Pics form Gary's 50:
And a pic from John:
P.S. I'm looking for one  .
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53 0val
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Thanks...................I do remember that on my '51......I think, or was it my '50?
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buggen
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| Mark doesn't think his Heb should have one and that they were only an accessory. But I think his Heb should have one and that they were factory. |
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johnshenry
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That one appears to be missing the radial "rib". You can't really make it out in the pic of mine above.
I'll take a better pic of mine tonight and post. You can see this additional pressing in the '50 manual line drawing.
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johnshenry
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| buggen wrote: |
| Mark doesn't think his Heb should have one and that they were only an accessory. But I think his Heb should have one and that they were factory. |
They have to be factory if they are shown in the service manual in a line art drawing.... I would assume Hebs would have them, but who knows. Kind of like the "X" plate. I can see some mechanic/techs staring at them for a while and then thinking "this thing can't possibly have any function on this car.........."
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53 0val
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| Mark doesn't think his Heb should have one and that they were only an accessory. But I think his Heb should have one and that they were factory. |
They have to be factory if they are shown in the service manual in a line art drawing.... I would assume Hebs would have them, but who knows. Kind of like the "X" plate. I can see some mechanic/techs staring at them for a while and then thinking "this thing can't possibly have any function on this car.........." |
What about early cabriolets?..............Did Karmann get them? If they did, I'm pretty sure Hebmulller must has got them as well. I doubt they would have been removed.....................
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billmetric
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for some reason the guy I got my standard from gave me one of those cans, even though the standard horn is out in the weather on the bumper bracket
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splitpartsunlimited
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John:
regarding the "radial rib " you mentioned before , maybe several manufacturers manufactured those horn covers ...... the mechanic that services my car has a split with that horn cover attached , he remember that accesory coming with the car when it was new , his father bought the car in Germany and brought it to Argentina.
i have detached his car`s horn cover and manufactured the repros using it as a model .
on the other hand , if someone takes the time and effort to manufacture a deep drawn stamping die , why don`t make it right ??
maybe Gary`s repro was manufactured from a similar piece like the one that my neighbor has ....
by last , there`s no need for any special rib to allow the wires to go through ...the horn cover has enough room to allow a safe connection to the horn ....
since the wire`s entrance hole (90degrees apart from the mounting hole) and the horn terminals are very far away from the place the radial rib would be , i think that John`s horn cover`s pressing was done as a reinforcement due to the use of thin sheet metal . (my friend`s part has 0.9mm gauge steel , my repros have the same steel gauge and they look real sturdy !....
there is no way the wires could pass along that rib , and there is no way the wires could be retained along that rib (no brackets at all )....
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Hmm, I have never seen one of those can things. I need to look into this
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There was one on the black split that we sold a long time ago. I kept the horn not sure where the box cover went too
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DSweinhagen
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Barndoors also used them from '50 through sometime in '52. |
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