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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: aftermarket exhaust Reply with quote

where can i find a hide away style aftermarket exhaust. im build a motor for my car which i dont really wanna use a stcok stle muffler would really like to find the hideaway after market. thanks for the help
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you mean by "hide a way"? More ground clearance? There's a few different styles. You could go with the split-style that has two mufflers, each tucked up by the heads:

http://www.thethingshop.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=181DH
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This is NOT a performance system - joining cylinders 1&2 then 3&4 together does not yield a good extractor. The nice part is that it's up out of the way and exits the bumper holes. The bad part is it will slightly decrease performance and it's harder to set the valves. I have one of these that I'm getting rid of - it's pretty old and if anyone wants to come get it here in Sunnyvale, CA, they can have it.

You can go with a Monza system similar to this:
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But I don't think it tucks as high as the split header. It's a better system for performance and for setting the valves though. The Thing version will exist the holes in the bumper properly.
(I couldn't find any good pictures or links to the Thing version and I know some in here use that... anyone want to chime in?)

You could probably also go with a Sidewinder exhaust:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=264089
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It won't exist the holes in the bumper, but it's up and out of the way. It's a good extractor exhaust - probably the best performing of those listed here. I've never seen one installed on a Thing, but I assume it'll be hard to set the valves on the right side. It's probably the most expensive of the three here as well.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Ian siad x2.
You will want a merged header system for better performance and easy access to your valves.The hideaway sytem from the Thing Shop won't give you that.

Here is the ACI ceramic coated exhaust:
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It's not stock, but it isn't obtrusive either and has plenty of clearance. I love how the tail pipes go through the bumper as it is very unique. Other than being loud it's not a bad set up.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm ordering a "Wild Boar" exhaust through Serrano's VW. That's the same deal as what's pictured above, right?


PS: Looks like I could eat out of your engine bay!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think what I have is called the "Wild Boar". I got my exhaust from ISP West via eBay.

They are calling it the "181 EURO 2 TIP MUFFLER EXHAUST SYSTEM". I got the matching ceramic coated heater boxes from someplace else (either CIP or Mid-America), but I think ISP sells the heater boxes too.

They claim that ceramic coating will be rust free, but I started getting rust stains pretty quickly. Just stains though mostly around the welds.

As far as eating out of the engine bay... after a long trip you could definately fry an egg or two in there!! And I can always weld a fork to the top of my dipstick! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Tuck Aways is the best for me... Reply with quote

EMPI exhaust, very good. I bought my from this site, I couldn't find a lower price anywhere else.

http://www.the-ovw.com/cat/product_info.php?cPath=234_130_327_507&products_id=1561
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Tuck Aways is the best for me... Reply with quote

Fun 181 wrote:
I don't think what I have is called the "Wild Boar". I got my exhaust from ISP West via eBay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-THING-181-EURO-2...enameZWDVW

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chefopie wrote:
EMPI exhaust, very good. I bought my from this site, I couldn't find a lower price anywhere else.

http://www.the-ovw.com/cat/product_info.php?cPath=234_130_327_507&products_id=1561

Looks like an extractor exhaust.
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...I like seeing them all on the same page Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian

I wish I knew about your muffler pack before I bought one in Tahoe last year. It is a pain to adjust the valves and I want to replace it.

That will happen when I switch engines.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the S&S system that exits through the bumper:

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I have no idea how it affects performance, but it seems to allow for valve access. I'll find out for sure next week when I take my first shot at adjusting the valves myself.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the one I'm putting on my car. Ceramic-coated Bugpack 1 3/8" header + Hideaway muffler from aircooled.net.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah the last one is waht i was lookin for somethin with a lil performance
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is that for a merged system?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep in mind that many of these systems extend past the bumper. I once had the S&S system on mine, but got rid of it because I didn't like the thought that a tap from behind would ruin my engine or exhaust or both.

The Bugpack one will probably also extend past the bumper.

Of those listed here, the following probably offer the best performance as they all appear to be 4:1 extractor systems:

Sidewinder
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EMPI
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S&S
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Bugpack
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Note that the Bugpack, S&S, and EMPI all use the same header design. Of the lot, I think only the Sidewinder has a chance of not extending past the rear bumper. If I still had a type1, that's the one I'd go with.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would the bumper overrides from The Thing Shop be able to protect the exhaust & engine much from a "li'l love tap" from the rear?

--- EDIT ---

Okay, I lied: it doesn't look like The Thing Shop carries them anymore. Y'all know what I'm talking about, though.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point, Ian. There is that risk, but maybe since the pipes are already bent, they would deform before doing much damage to the engine?

I'm running a Beetle muffler with peashooters right now, and that's surely more of a hazard to my engine than any of the above!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to have the same narrow bumper overriders shown in the pic above, and the S&S reached farther back than they did. Maybe the block style ones would do it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sam_w wrote:
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I wish I knew about your muffler pack before I bought one in Tahoe last year. It is a pain to adjust the valves and I want to replace it.

That will happen when I switch engines.


Sam, that split header system makes it tough to adjust the valves - worse than the S&S system.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The muffler/ exhaust questions and threads should be made a sticky.

Seems like every couple of months we cover it all over again.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=218685&highlight=muffler+exhaust
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=231061&highlight=muffler+exhaust
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=215151&highlight=muffler+exhaust
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Epperson wrote:
What do you mean by "hide a way"? More ground clearance? There's a few different styles. You could go with the split-style that has two mufflers, each tucked up by the heads:

http://www.thethingshop.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=181DH
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


This is NOT a performance system - joining cylinders 1&2 then 3&4 together does not yield a good extractor. The nice part is that it's up out of the way and exits the bumper holes. The bad part is it will slightly decrease performance and it's harder to set the valves. I have one of these that I'm getting rid of - it's pretty old and if anyone wants to come get it here in Sunnyvale, CA, they can have it.



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How bad could it be if the stock one is similar? Do you still have that exhaust? I have mucho friends in the area, that could come and get it for me? Wink
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