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arthurnugen Samba Member

Joined: January 11, 2005 Posts: 3082 Location: The PNW, where "going green" means rolling with moss.
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: Sapphire radio repair tutorial - PART HELP NEEDED |
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With all the "how to" topics on here, I am surprised that nobody has done one of these. Based on my search there are a lot of us wih non working radios and a few who repair them, but nobody has done a thread on diagnosis/repair? If there is one, I couldn't find one.
Something simple, like what to look for, common problem areas, parts sources, etc.?
So, how about it? _________________
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YellowSplittie Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Radio repair is a bit more involved than the average person might think.
There can be a hundred components in a set, any of which could be bad and make the radio dead. Diagnosing a set can take a couple of minutes or several hours.
Normally, a tech will try to isolate the problem:
Check for correct voltage
Check the RF stages
Check the IF Stages
Check the AF stages
You quite often need a signal generator and an oscilloscope to locate a fault.
Parts can be very hard to find and often must come from salvaged radios. I'm talking about RF coils, switches, controls and not common parts like resistors and transistors. _________________ '78 Champagne Edition II Westfalia
'70 Squareback
'71 Squareback x 2
'65 Karmann Ghia, Arcona White
'65 Standard Bus with SO-42 installed
'64 Kombi
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YellowSplittie Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Some tips to start off with:
Sapphire radios are quite plagued by electrolytic capacitor failure. After 40 years or so, they just dry out and cause all kinds of problems.
Usually I just replace all of these as a matter of course because sooner or later they will give you grief.
The antenna trimmer has to be set correctly by the installer. I've come across many radios that work fine once the trimmer is set right. There is a procedure in the radio manuals you'll find on this site. _________________ '78 Champagne Edition II Westfalia
'70 Squareback
'71 Squareback x 2
'65 Karmann Ghia, Arcona White
'65 Standard Bus with SO-42 installed
'64 Kombi
'62 Beetle
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arthurnugen Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent. For a radio dummy, what do those look like?  _________________
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ALWAYS WEAR STEEL-TOE BOOTS IN THE GARAGE!
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1972 Bug 'vert
1967 Bug sunroof
1961 Ghia 'vert
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YellowSplittie Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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They are usually canister shaped. There are sometimes a dozen or more in a set, all with specific values. _________________ '78 Champagne Edition II Westfalia
'70 Squareback
'71 Squareback x 2
'65 Karmann Ghia, Arcona White
'65 Standard Bus with SO-42 installed
'64 Kombi
'62 Beetle
'61 Standard Bus, Mango |
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arthurnugen Samba Member

Joined: January 11, 2005 Posts: 3082 Location: The PNW, where "going green" means rolling with moss.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks YellowSplittie. What are all the stages you mention? So what is the best online source for parts? I have been checking out www.tubesandmore.com.
So anyone want to walk me through how to diagnose capacitor failure? I need an Ohm meter, right? The schematics I can get here, fortunately. Any other common failure spots?
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ALWAYS WEAR STEEL-TOE BOOTS IN THE GARAGE!
1965 Bus (Riviera camper)
1972 Bug 'vert
1967 Bug sunroof
1961 Ghia 'vert
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Major Woody Samba Enigma

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks YellowSplittie. What are all the stages you mention? So what is the best online source for parts? I have been checking out www.tubesandmore.com.
So anyone want to walk me through how to diagnose capacitor failure? I need an Ohm meter, right? The schematics I can get here, fortunately. Any other common failure spots?
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PM dstefun. He rebuilds Sapphires, he rebuilt the one in the bullet bus. |
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crofty Judas of the North

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| arthurnugen wrote: |
Thanks YellowSplittie. What are all the stages you mention? So what is the best online source for parts? I have been checking out www.tubesandmore.com.
So anyone want to walk me through how to diagnose capacitor failure? I need an Ohm meter, right? The schematics I can get here, fortunately. Any other common failure spots?
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PM dstefun. He rebuilds Sapphires, he rebuilt the one in the bullet bus. |
He did the motorolla in my truck and did a GREAT job. _________________ Your Vanagon sucks, Stop waving at me.
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arthurnugen Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| arthurnugen wrote: |
Thanks YellowSplittie. What are all the stages you mention? So what is the best online source for parts? I have been checking out www.tubesandmore.com.
So anyone want to walk me through how to diagnose capacitor failure? I need an Ohm meter, right? The schematics I can get here, fortunately. Any other common failure spots?
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PM dstefun. He rebuilds Sapphires, he rebuilt the one in the bullet bus. |
He did the motorolla in my truck and did a GREAT job. |
Thanks guys. Yeah, I was hoping dstefun would chime in.  _________________
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| Don't worry too much. You can always trust a lawyer. |
ALWAYS WEAR STEEL-TOE BOOTS IN THE GARAGE!
1965 Bus (Riviera camper)
1972 Bug 'vert
1967 Bug sunroof
1961 Ghia 'vert
1957 DKW 3=6: 3 cylinder 2 stroke! |
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arthurnugen Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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That's what I'm talking about! Cool visual; would not work on my crappy PC at home last night. Thanks. _________________
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ALWAYS WEAR STEEL-TOE BOOTS IN THE GARAGE!
1965 Bus (Riviera camper)
1972 Bug 'vert
1967 Bug sunroof
1961 Ghia 'vert
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BarryL  Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Is that for all capacitors or just those big-ass 110 vac jobbies? |
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dstefun Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Is that for all capacitors or just those big-ass 110 vac jobbies? |
You can use an ohmmeter test for all capacitors, but it is basically worthless except to find open or fully shorted caps. Most capacitor failures are due to being leaky, or out of value, and an ohmmeter won't tell you that. In addition, capacitor testing must almost always be done with the part removed from the circuit, so that other connected components won’t affect the test results. Capacitors in car radios are inexpensive enough that if you have to remove it, you might as well replace it with a new one.
Tom & Sean – thanks for the kudos but Brad (YellowSplittie) has far more car radio experience than I. I do car radio repair as a hobby after doing it as a job all through high school and college many moons ago. Brad did it for a living. I think he’s just a little smarter than I am and got out of it more completely than I did. I’m really an accountant and computer geek in the real world, with a little PC support thrown in for fun and frustration.
As Brad noted above, caps in 60's Sapphire radio are now over 40 years old. I too replace almost all electrolytic capacitors as a matter of course on all radio repairs. If they aren’t bad today, they probably will be tomorrow. Paper and ceramic caps sometimes have a little better reliabilty, but can still cause major problems by being out leaky or out of value. Unfortunately, electronic theory, diagnosis, and repair are a bit beyond a forum thread.
Yes, a thread on “how-to” might be able to be dedicated to “dead” radios, but just because a radio is working does not mean it is working correctly. Proper test equipment and radio service information are the first requirements to a good repair or restoration. A radio problem can usually be diagnosed fairly easily but actually fixing it might be another matter. A radio that is working but out of spec can damage other components and usually won’t last long – i.e. if the bias voltage is wrong on the output transistor due to a resistor changed in value, the radio might work fairly well until the transistor cooks itself to death and burns up several other parts too. There are multiple points to check after a radio is “working”.
Radios are complicated, delicate, and precise. Without the proper map (schematic diagram) or service manual for your radio model, you don't know what the proper specifications are for your radio. And even if you know the specs, then you need the proper test equipment (voltmeters, ohmmeters, signal generators, oscilloscopes, etc) to measure the radio parameters to ensure that you are in spec. And the proper training or experience in using that equipment is essential to figure out why you’re not in spec if you’re not. Full RF (radio frequency) and IF (intermediate frequency) alignments are necessary to ensure that those stages are operating at peak efficiency. The AF (audio frequency) stage needs to be checked for distortion and power. Without the proper equipment this is all just guesswork.
Radios are not really hard to diagnose and repair with the proper equipment, service information, and training. Getting the proper parts for them can be very difficult since both Bendix and Motorola got out of the car radio business by the mid-70’s. I used to be able to call up my local Bendix or Motorola distributor and get anything I wanted for a Sapphire radio. Those days are long gone and now I have a stock of over 200 parts radios that I rob parts from on a regular basis. I just paid $48 shipped on Ebay for a NOS Sapphire III dial glass that was $1.60 from Bendix in 1966! The NOS Sapphire VI dial went for $226 but that was way too high for me.
I know my limitations – I don’t do final body work or paint or engine or transmission internals. I do have some of the necessary training in those areas (Vote Yes on vocational training!), but I don’t have the proper tools, equipment, and experience to do it properly. The same principle applies to radio repair. You’ll end up with a better radio leaving radio repair to the specialists.
That said, Howard W. Sam’s Publishing used to print several ‘how-to’ guides but they are long out of print. You can sometimes find them on Ebay or used book stores. Titles like “Automotive Electronics Servicing Guide” from 1973 (Joseph Carr), or “Auto Radio Servicing Made Easy” from 1963 (Wayne Lemons), or “Electronic Troubleshooting with Simplified Circuit Analysis” from 1976 (Leo Rozman) are good places to start if you already know basic electronic theory.
-Dave _________________ ~~~~~~~~
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:39 am Post subject: |
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arthurnugen Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Dave and all others. I understand now that I am way out of my league on this stuff.  _________________
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ALWAYS WEAR STEEL-TOE BOOTS IN THE GARAGE!
1965 Bus (Riviera camper)
1972 Bug 'vert
1967 Bug sunroof
1961 Ghia 'vert
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arthurnugen Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Ok, So I was cleaning off my bench and opened the radio case just for the heck of it as it was sitting right there. I think I found the problem.
The numbers on the other side are:
Mallory
Made in USA
MFD VDC PIN
1000 4 1
50 4 2
2092246-0705
235-6725A
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1972 Bug 'vert
1967 Bug sunroof
1961 Ghia 'vert
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YellowSplittie Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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That's exactly what happens to the electrolytic capacitors. That is one of several in your set.
That particular cap is in the power supply. Actually, it is two caps in one package. You can substitute separate 1000MFD and 50 MFD caps for those. Just make sure you observe the voltage rating and polarity on installation.
If that one is bad, you can be sure others are not far behind. _________________ '78 Champagne Edition II Westfalia
'70 Squareback
'71 Squareback x 2
'65 Karmann Ghia, Arcona White
'65 Standard Bus with SO-42 installed
'64 Kombi
'62 Beetle
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arthurnugen Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks YellowSplittie! Any idea where I can find the parts? _________________
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ALWAYS WEAR STEEL-TOE BOOTS IN THE GARAGE!
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1972 Bug 'vert
1967 Bug sunroof
1961 Ghia 'vert
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YellowSplittie Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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An electronics supply store should be able to set you up.
Even Radio Shack should be able to source something for you. They may have to special order it as they don't stock many components any longer. _________________ '78 Champagne Edition II Westfalia
'70 Squareback
'71 Squareback x 2
'65 Karmann Ghia, Arcona White
'65 Standard Bus with SO-42 installed
'64 Kombi
'62 Beetle
'61 Standard Bus, Mango |
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Keep in mind that although the ratings (MFD, and voltage) are the same, the new ones are going to look totally different, and possibly much smaller. _________________ © CJ Industries, Inc.
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