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Kcswaz
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| Hello, i have a 1200cc engine 36hp on my 54 bug with the oem vacuum distributor and i whant to put a mechanical distributor on it. What should i take. Ive done an 12v conversion. thx |
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tasb
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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Bosch part # VJ 4 BR 8. Another option but your getting into a rare and pricey bird is the VE 4 BRS 383. these were stock on the 25 hp VW and lasted a bit longer with the Porsche's.
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Kcswaz
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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| I didnt know that the bus distributor are mecanic. I will look to find one at my local vw store. |
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Glenn
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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| Kcswaz wrote: |
| I didnt know that the bus distributor are mecanic. I will look to find one at my local vw store. |
You won't find one at a store, they'll sell you a Chinese 009.
If you want a 019 or VJ4BR8, you'll need to buy a good used one or a restored one. And "restored" means different things to different people.
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Kcswaz
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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| perfect i will look if vicwagen (a guy whi sell une and new vw part near my house) if he have some. Thx |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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All 1930s thru at least the mid 1970s are all mechanical advance distributors. Difference is if centrifugal or vacuum advance.
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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agreed, I get a little annoyed with points not being considered an electrical part too. How about motor, that used to refer to an electrical device while engine referred to internal combustion. These days the two terms seem to be interchangeable.
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Glenn
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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The points are a mechanical switch that open and close the ground.
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 1:38 am Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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| Glenn wrote: |
| The points are a mechanical switch that open and close the ground. |
Which makes it an electrical component.
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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019 dists are great for 36hp's. If you do get one, make sure you order the points for a late 50's bus. They are 2 piece points.
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Glenn
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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| Ninamashr wrote: |
| 019 dists are great for 36hp's. If you do get one, make sure you order the points for a late 50's bus. They are 2 piece points. |
Bosch 01 016 are for Porsche 356/912 and have a stronger spring. that's what I sell.
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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| Glenn wrote: |
| Ninamashr wrote: |
| 019 dists are great for 36hp's. If you do get one, make sure you order the points for a late 50's bus. They are 2 piece points. |
Bosch 01 016 are for Porsche 356/912 and have a stronger spring. that's what I sell. |
So are these also the 2 pc? I haven't replaced mine in 4 years so I might need a few sets.
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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Yes... you can't put one piece points in.. unless you use a hammer.
BTW... I also have used ones 
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tasb
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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[quote="Glenn"]Yes... you can't put one piece points in.. unless you use a hammer.
BTW... I also have used ones
While pawing through my core pile today I came across a VJU 4 BR 8 that had Bosch # 1011 points and 2054 condenser installed. These were used on 1970's Bosch distributors. It's astonishing how much effort went into getting them to actually fit. Ingenuity I guess, if you had nothing else...
Glenn I see your pile and raise you by two (just playing no war intended.)
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Need any M4 hardware?
Those boxes are 10" deep and over flowing. I bet 80% of those condensers are still good.
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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A bit of 009 hate comes up in any centrifugal distributor discussion here so I'll ask... What is wrong with the advance curve of an 009? I understand the Chinese copies have a reputation for poor construction and inconsistent advance in both total and rpm range, but what about proper German ones or even the older Brazilian made ones? Is it to slow to advance, to little advance...
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| 019 dists are great for 36hp's. If you do get one, make sure you order the points for a late 50's bus. They are 2 piece points. |
Bosch 01 016 are for Porsche 356/912 and have a stronger spring. that's what I sell. |
What is the advantage of a stronger points spring?
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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No points bounce at higher rpm.
For a stock Bus that never sees past 4500 rpm... not needed. For a car that sees 7000rpm, it helps.
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Mechanical distributor |
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| A bit of 009 hate comes up in any centrifugal distributor discussion here so I'll ask... What is wrong with the advance curve of an 009? I understand the Chinese copies have a reputation for poor construction and inconsistent advance in both total and rpm range, but what about proper German ones or even the older Brazilian made ones? Is it to slow to advance, to little advance... |
There's really nothing seriously wrong with the advance curve on a well performing 009. It spends most of its curve quicker than an 019 but not as quick as an 010. With time bigger engines have become the most popular. So the "bigger is Better" 34 PICT 3 carburetor followed along. Until you experience the flat spot when accelerating with the 009/34 PICT 3 combo. Those of us who open up distributors can tell the difference in the quality of a distributor's internal components.
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