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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Church keys Reply with quote

Church key summary:
Excluding possible Barndoor differences and replacement/aftermarket keys, I think there are only 3 church keys:
T - bare finish
P - Grey finish
P - Chrome (Deluxe Buses)

T style in on the left not sure if the longer one was ever "correct":
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Why two or more church keys? Is one early and the other late? Just something I`ve been think about. And was there a small one for the gas door?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

top early and bottom late, no? i think those little ones for the gas doors are ones that people made up for shite and giggles.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Early as what pre 63?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buses with door pockets use the T-handle church keys.

P-handle church keys are for later Buses with no pocket and the holder on the driver's side kick panel.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The little gas door ones were being sold by gabriel awhile back & let me tell you it's great to have it on my keyring. I always forgot to grab my church key when putting gas in. Here'a a pic of it an a link to the ad it's from. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=519042

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice little key. So what was the last year for door pockets? Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone have any close up pics of the lock cover for the engine decklid?
Also , was this just a cover and the church key went into the square drive on the decklid door latch , or is it like the gas cap door where there is a cylinder with it's own square drive ?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the little one i have bent first time i used it. not sure who made it/sold it. not sure on when pockets ended. where would i pre pocket bus owner keep the church key if there was no holder installed?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the little one i have bent first time i used it. not sure who made it/sold it. not sure on when pockets ended. where would i pre pocket bus owner keep the church key if there was no holder installed?

The T-handle church keys go in the pocket.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does anyone have any close up pics of the lock cover for the engine decklid?
Also , was this just a cover and the church key went into the square drive on the decklid door latch , or is it like the gas cap door where there is a cylinder with it's own square drive ?

It's just a cover, although it is spring loaded like the gas door cover.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nice little key. So what was the last year for door pockets? Cool

1960/61 at some point

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the little one i have bent first time i used it. not sure who made it/sold it. not sure on when pockets ended. where would i pre pocket bus owner keep the church key if there was no holder installed?

The T-handle church keys go in the pocket.


i am afraid to stick my hand it there as there may be cooties in there!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to have a miniature version of the original style. I can't remember if it was a T or a P.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

obus wrote:
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the little one i have bent first time i used it. not sure who made it/sold it. not sure on when pockets ended. where would i pre pocket bus owner keep the church key if there was no holder installed?

The T-handle church keys go in the pocket.


i am afraid to stick my hand it there as there may be cooties in there!


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a mini T handle, but it's still to big for the keyring. My mini gas door key has held up pretty good for the last year or so sofar Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think door pockets went missing in April 61.
My June 61 does not have pockets
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have a mini T handle, but it's still to big for the keyring. My mini gas door key has held up pretty good for the last year or so sofar Very Happy
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thats the one i have and it bent right where the logo ends and the "key" part starts Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obus, I know exactly where your talking about, the first time I tried using this one I have it tweeked alittle, so I played around with my door & lock until it would open & close snugly without bending the key. I gave one to a buddy & he did the same thing as you, but went farther. It was pretty funny cause he was excited about it when I gave it to him & he went over to try it & the VW part came rite off the square part, key was in 2 pieces Laughing Laughing & the look on his face was so funny when it happened Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing SO I souldn't say it's a quality key, just convenient
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:
faster wrote:
Nice little key. So what was the last year for door pockets? Cool

1960/61 at some point

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I saw og pockets on a April 6th 1961 bus... it was the basalt interior. With the condition of that interior I am sure they are original to the bus.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Way back, I ordered a repro T-handle for my '67 deluxe. It was too big for the lock. I ordered another from another vendor. It was too small and spun in the lock. I finally found a P-handle and it was just right.
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