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CREATURE58
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 Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:02 pm Post subject: Electronic Ignition Question... |
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i bought a used engine with an electronic ignition and a flame thrower coil. i noticed that the black wire from the distributor is connected to the positive and the red is connected to the negative terminal. Do some ignitions come like that or did the previous owner maybe disconnected them and put them on like that by accident???
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Dale M.
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IF module in distributor( electric points replacement) is a Comp-U-Fire or Pertronix (or Chinese Republic Authentic Product (CRAP) copy) ... Yes that wiring is correct....
Pop distributor cap and look at module inside, does it have a name on it?
http://www.pertronix.com/default.aspx
http://www.compufire.com/index.php?option=com_cont...p;Itemid=9
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Electronic Ignition Question... |
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| CREATURE58 wrote: |
| the black wire from the distributor is connected to the positive and the red is connected to the negative terminal. |
RED is positive and BLACK is negative.
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CREATURE58
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doesnt have a name
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funny that this question comes up now..
I have a pertronix ignitor with the flamethrower II coil and I fried my first one because (big surprise here..) I didn't read the instructions, it seemed pretty straightforward, so I put it in, and connected red to pos, blk to neg..
after it didn't want to work, I looked at em and it says blk to pos, red to neg 
presently their website says red to pos (I checked cause I'm reassembling my engine now and thought I remembered something funny about it..)
is there anyway to verify which version you have without frying it?
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CREATURE58
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yea i think i fried mine. no spark is coming out of the the wire from the dizzy to the coil
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theres no name on it at all
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| I looked at em and it says blk to pos, red to neg |
Seriously? That's F'ed up.
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| yea i think i fried mine. no spark is coming out of the the wire from the dizzy to the coil |
Pull coil wire our of coil (so you don't accidentally start motor) , put a test lamp on (-) terminal (#1) of coil to ground..... Turn key on..... Roll over engine slowly with wrench ..... Test lamp should flash off/on as you rotate crank ... IF light flashed it indicates electronic unit is good.... IF no flashes verify 12 volts on terminal #15 (+) from ign switch, if 12 volts is there and lamp does not flash... Unit is probably fried...
One of these could be your new best friend...
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Dale M.
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| Glenn wrote: |
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| I looked at em and it says blk to pos, red to neg |
Seriously? That's F'ed up. |
Ditto....
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| Dale M. wrote: |
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| I looked at em and it says blk to pos, red to neg |
Seriously? That's F'ed up. |
Ditto....
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yeah, I kinda fibbed... brought it back to the store, said I plugged it in and it just didn't work (didn't tell em I didn't read the instructions and wired it wrong..) they swapped me out for another and it worked fine wired "backwards"..
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funny that this question comes up now..
I have a pertronix ignitor with the flamethrower II coil and I fried my first one because (big surprise here..) I didn't read the instructions, it seemed pretty straightforward, so I put it in, and connected red to pos, blk to neg..
after it didn't want to work, I looked at em and it says blk to pos, red to neg
presently their website says red to pos (I checked cause I'm reassembling my engine now and thought I remembered something funny about it..)
is there anyway to verify which version you have without frying it? |
 holy crap! they put the wires backward?
a petronix two is also designed so it won't fry if wired backward.........so uh, none of that makes sense really |
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I thought it was set in stone that red is positive and black is negative! The problem with some peoples children. Some chinese drop out probabaly wired nine million ignitions wrong and it was easier to change the paper instructions, or not include them at all, than to fix his mess up.
I will continue to wire red to posistive till I burn all crap ignitions up, under warranty of course. |
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well, actually in a VW black is positive and brown is ground, just saying  |
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funny that this question comes up now..
I have a pertronix ignitor with the flamethrower II coil and I fried my first one because (big surprise here..) I didn't read the instructions, it seemed pretty straightforward, so I put it in, and connected red to pos, blk to neg..
after it didn't want to work, I looked at em and it says blk to pos, red to neg
presently their website says red to pos (I checked cause I'm reassembling my engine now and thought I remembered something funny about it..)
is there anyway to verify which version you have without frying it? |
holy crap! they put the wires backward?
a petronix two is also designed so it won't fry if wired backward.........so uh, none of that makes sense really |
maybe I just had a dud to begin with then.. :shrugs: I got a new one and it worked, although it was wired black+ red-..
couldn't get it to start if I did red+ black-
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| well, actually in a VW black is positive and brown is ground, just saying |
Red and red with a black stripe are also 12v+
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Well now I'm confused!  |
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