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brownprimer Samba Member

Joined: January 19, 2008 Posts: 56 Location: gypsum, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: Turbo info? |
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Is there a magazine article, a good book or something on building a good turbo system for an aircooled motor? |
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The Noof Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2005 Posts: 4346
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Search "Turbomania".I hear it's a good read. |
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey

Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't matter that the engine is aircooled, all of the things that apply to waterpumpers applies to VW engines (aside from the watercooling of the turbo). What exactly are you looking for? Exhaust info, fuel info, turbo basics? I built my own system from scratch, it's not so hard. _________________ Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212747
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brownprimer Samba Member

Joined: January 19, 2008 Posts: 56 Location: gypsum, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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I want to see if I can build a sytem of my own. I just need to find a good book or something to help. Some advice from some who has done it themselves would be nice too. |
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brownprimer Samba Member

Joined: January 19, 2008 Posts: 56 Location: gypsum, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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miniman82, do you have any pics and info of your turbo system?
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey

Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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DropTop Samba Member

Joined: July 02, 2007 Posts: 79 Location: north jersey
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brownprimer Samba Member

Joined: January 19, 2008 Posts: 56 Location: gypsum, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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miniman82, dam nice job on that turbo, i didn't watch the videos, i'm on dial-up. sweet location for the turbo too!
Droptop. I don't know if it will be a draw through or not.
I was looking at all these other options for my engine. bigger heads, larger cam, dual weber 48's, bigger exhaust and so on. Then i realized i could turbocharge my engine for about the same $, if not less and maybe get more out of it. |
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey

Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Well, draw through is the easiest. Let's start with the basics-what size engine do you have, and what do you have inside the case? What heads and cam do you have? Do you think EFI is outside your realm of possibilities or budget? _________________ Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212747
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DropTop Samba Member

Joined: July 02, 2007 Posts: 79 Location: north jersey
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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I got the most gain for the least buck by turbo charging, that said I went with a junkyard setup. Used a t25 from a saab and fuel pump from a ford f150. built the header and used cb's carb hats and boost sensitive fuel preshure regulater. I went with a blow through set up b/c it was my understanding they performed better in street cars (when u werent always at wot) However a properly built draw thru can work on a street car. |
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brownprimer Samba Member

Joined: January 19, 2008 Posts: 56 Location: gypsum, Colorado
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: |
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I have a 1915, counter weighted crank, cb performance cam #2242, cb 044 supermag heads w/ 40x35.5mm valves, chromoly pushrods, stock ratio rockers. probably no EFI for me. |
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey

Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: |
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If you're willing to lose the rear cooling tin, and possibly trim your apron a tad, draw through is what you're looking for. Based on your cam selection, I'm going to assume you have compression in the high 8 to low 9 to 1 range? You'll need to drop that to closer to 8:1 or lower for turbo use.
You will have lumpy idle with a cam that long. I have the 2241, which is a tad lumpy on my 1915. The 2242 will be worse, especially with the long runners of a draw through setup. _________________ Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212747
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brownprimer Samba Member

Joined: January 19, 2008 Posts: 56 Location: gypsum, Colorado
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: |
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What is a couple of cams that might work well? I think my compression is at 8:1 but i will have it checked. Anything I need to do to my heads? They only have 4000 or 5000 miles on them so they are in good shape. My rear apron is fine for cutting up. |
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The Noof Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2005 Posts: 4346
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Web racing has a nice turbo grind, # 218.When looking for a turbo grind, keep the duration to 280 or less.Turbo's like lift, though.Also, short overlap is good. |
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey

Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: |
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2nd that, Noof.
You heads may or may not need work, depending on what your current compression ratio is. The Engle 110 grind makes a good cam for that engine size, the 2241 I'm running now is very similar. _________________ Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212747
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KennyD. Samba Member

Joined: March 08, 2003 Posts: 407 Location: Rowlett, TX
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: |
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brownprimer wrote: |
What is a couple of cams that might work well? I think my compression is at 8:1 but i will have it checked. Anything I need to do to my heads? They only have 4000 or 5000 miles on them so they are in good shape. My rear apron is fine for cutting up. |
I run a draw through setup on a 1915, and did NOT have to cut the apron, or any part of the body to get the header to fit. Also, I am still running my rear tin. My engine builder trimmed the tin around the header, it's a perfect fit. As for cams, I am running a Engle TCS10 cam, but I'd recommend a TC20. Alot of turbo guys have ran the FK8 with great success though...
Here is a pic of my setup:
_________________ 1974 Super Beetle-turbocharged 1915-mine
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brownprimer Samba Member

Joined: January 19, 2008 Posts: 56 Location: gypsum, Colorado
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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KennyD. What kind of turbo are you running? How much hp to the ground do you think?
Just ordered a copy of turbomania from cbperformance.
I am looking to have at least 150 hp, of course more is better. If I get the right combo together and happen to get 6 or 7 hundred thousand ill be happy too. |
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey

Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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If I get the right combo together and happen to get 6 or 7 hundred thousand ill be happy too. |
Hundred thousand what?  _________________ Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212747
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brownprimer Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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6 or 7 hundred thousand hp, yes. For some reason my dreams never come true, maybe i'm aiming too low.
I think maybe a draw thru may work. I am going to call around to some junk yards in denver next week and see what I can come up with. Unless I find a workable used set up. I've heard that running a setup under the decklid can make the engine run to hot, is this true? The stealth look would be alot of fun. Yet the turbo sticking out the back a foot is awesome looking. So either way. Should I start pick gear ratio's after i get the turbo system? right now i have- 3.88r&p 3.20/1.84/1.48/1.04. i'm a little afraid that the 1st gear might be a bit tall |
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey

Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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brownprimer wrote: |
6 or 7 hundred thousand hp, yes. |
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i have- 3.88r&p 3.20/1.84/1.48/1.04. i'm a little afraid that the 1st gear might be a bit tall |
Don't change a thing with your trans, turbo's love tall gears.
BTW, I'm pretty sure Kenny's turbo is a T3. You shouldn't have any trouble locating one, but for draw through you'll need one with a carbon seal. I'm told the early Chrysler turbo 2.2 and 2.5 engines have them, so look for a turbo Chrysler/Dodge that has the throttle before the turbo. _________________ Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212747
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