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oktr6r Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: Learning more about VW's... |
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I've been fighting a problem with my '76 not wanting to idle. Rebuilt the carb Saturday morning, and it helped, but still died, mostly when stopping.
I tried the adjustments again this evening, then took it for a short drive, it idled too high. My driveway slopes pretty good, and I'd been pulling it out of the garage, nose down, to run it. I pulled it into the garage just enough to have it sitting level, and the adjustments made a noticeable difference.
Is the 34 PICT 3 that touchy to being level? If so, I will want to replace it, since some of the off-road driving I want to do will be on rough hills. _________________ Les
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is your gas tank vented? _________________ 1972 Standard Beetle
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oktr6r Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Matt Wilson wrote: |
is your gas tank vented? |
Good question. I'll have to check that out and see. Funny thing is that it's idling great, since I adjusted the carb with the car level.
I'm planning on driving it to work in the morning, it'll give me a better idea how it's doing. _________________ Les
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57 Rag Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Matt Wilson wrote: |
is your gas tank vented? |
Dont mean to jack the thread, sorry. Hey Mark, I've heard that asked before and my friend mentioned it. Whats the purpose? I'd like to know because mine isnt vented.
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oktr6r Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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57 Rag wrote: |
Matt Wilson wrote: |
is your gas tank vented? |
Dont mean to jack the thread, sorry. Hey Mark, I've heard that asked before and my friend mentioned it. Whats the purpose? I'd like to know because mine isnt vented.
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No problem, we're both learning... _________________ Les
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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oktr6r/57rag
If your tank is not vented the fuel pump will pull a vacuum in the tank that the pump will not be able to over come and your carb will starve for fuel
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oktr6r Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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earthquake wrote: |
oktr6r/57rag
If your tank is not vented the fuel pump will pull a vacuum in the tank that the pump will not be able to over come and your carb will starve for fuel
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This would happen if the car was sitting level or on a slope wouldn't it? My original issue was that adjusting the idle did nothing with the car parked on a sloped drive. Park it level, and I was able to adjust it. _________________ Les
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oktr6r Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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oktr6r wrote: |
Matt Wilson wrote: |
is your gas tank vented? |
Good question. I'll have to check that out and see. Funny thing is that it's idling great, since I adjusted the carb with the car level.
I'm planning on driving it to work in the morning, it'll give me a better idea how it's doing. |
The tank vent isn't the problem, it still acts up from time to time. I even tried it with the gas cap removed to make sure the vent wasn't the problem.
On the way home from work, it started cutting out and sputtering. I'm going to drain the fuel tank and check to make sure it doesn't have water or trash in it, since the car sat for 3+ years. I'll replace the fuel filter at the same time (mounted up front, by electric fuel pump). _________________ Les
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The 34 pict 3 is sensitive to hills. The needle valve in the float bowl tends to stick on hills. When you rebuilt the carb did the rebuild kit come with 2 choices for the washer under this valve? Use the thicker one. The thinner tends to cause flooding when parked on a hill for a long time. Definitely change the filter and check the output of your fuel pump. Are you running the stock exhaust? and are your preheat tubes installed? |
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oktr6r Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Mudcat wrote: |
The 34 pict 3 is sensitive to hills. The needle valve in the float bowl tends to stick on hills. When you rebuilt the carb did the rebuild kit come with 2 choices for the washer under this valve? Use the thicker one. The thinner tends to cause flooding when parked on a hill for a long time. Definitely change the filter and check the output of your fuel pump. Are you running the stock exhaust? and are your preheat tubes installed? |
Yes, it did come with 2 washers. I knew I saved the spare parts from the kit for a reason...
It has a Streetpac exhaust, with the preheat tubes installed.
Sounds like the 34 PICT 3 is the wrong carb for my car, due to the intended use. I need to shop around and find a decent, but cheap, replacement. _________________ Les
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Mudcat Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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The 34 is a good single carb on a 1600. I asked about the preheat because it is very important on any single carb setup. When you have a chance pull the manifold preheat tubes and ensure they aren't blocked. Also, those tubes heat the manifold the best if there is a low pressure point on one. Plain English. Aftermarket exhaust normally have flanges for these tubes @ 2&4 exhaust ports and that is all wrong. The stock muffler flanges one tube to the muffler, I.E. low pressure point. This creates vaccum and offers full flow from one side to the other regardless of which cylinder is on it's exhaust stroke. Without this vaccum there is less heating of the manifold and the chances of clogged tubes increases. Think about the firing order. 1-4-3-2 Right-Left-Right-Left and before too long dead center right at the center of the manifold blockage. An aftermarket system should be modified so that one tube taps into the 4into1 collector. I have a BUGPACK system I hope to modify soon. Another good cure for carb probs is a good original oil bath air cleaner with the proper preheat setup there also. This may not solve all your probs but is a good base to start troubleshooting with. VW engineers knew exactly what they were doing. It's too bad so many aftermarket companies didn't understand that (or give a shit) when they started building replacement/performance parts for our cars.
In the case of the exhaust systems, they are best suited for dual carb setups and since most are using duals no probs for the majority. My reccomendation is to stick with the 34 or buy a good set of dual solex.
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oktr6r Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: Update: Learning more about VW's... |
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I took the car out for a long drive yesterday, a combination of town, highway, and rough dirt roads. The engine runs great at higher RPM's, acts like it's flooding at lower RPM's.
I'm leaning towards fuel pressure as the problem. The basic info:
34 PICT 3 carb
Electric fuel pump, unknown brand
No pressure regulator
1776 engine
Fuel filter up front, by the pump
The fuel filter doesn't seem a likely culprit, as the engine rev's great, with no fuel starvation issues. I can pull out on the highway and run it hard thru all 4 gears, and it pulls strong, no hesitation or stumbling.
I've done a lot of research here, and the general thought seems to be that an electric pump is too much pressure for the carb I'm running. I've ordered the Holley 12-804 regulator, adjustable from 1-4 PSI. I avoided the in-stock Mr. Gasket POS regulator.
Should have the regulator Tuesday, I'll update once it's installed and adjusted. _________________ Les
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oktr6r Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Update: Learning more about VW's... |
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oktr6r wrote: |
I took the car out for a long drive yesterday, a combination of town, highway, and rough dirt roads. The engine runs great at higher RPM's, acts like it's flooding at lower RPM's.
I'm leaning towards fuel pressure as the problem. The basic info:
34 PICT 3 carb
Electric fuel pump, unknown brand
No pressure regulator
1776 engine
Fuel filter up front, by the pump
The fuel filter doesn't seem a likely culprit, as the engine rev's great, with no fuel starvation issues. I can pull out on the highway and run it hard thru all 4 gears, and it pulls strong, no hesitation or stumbling.
I've done a lot of research here, and the general thought seems to be that an electric pump is too much pressure for the carb I'm running. I've ordered the Holley 12-804 regulator, adjustable from 1-4 PSI. I avoided the in-stock Mr. Gasket POS regulator.
Should have the regulator Tuesday, I'll update once it's installed and adjusted. |
The regulator did the trick. Installed it, and was able to adjust the carb. Drove it several miles and re-adjusted the idle down some, never stalled. A slight hesitation, but I'd assume that's from the distributor. No vac advance. Probably swap it later on, but it works for now. _________________ Les
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