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acetate909
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 Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: Difference in axle length (64 - 67) Square |
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I'm now hearing conflicting information concerning the length of my axles on my 67 Square, I'm in the process of swapping in a short axle setup so as to run wide 5 - 17x7's (et42), but I've now heard a couple people tell me I dont need to swap out the axles to allow for the wider tires/wheels.
The '64 from what I've heard has the shorter axle, so by modeling my setup off this platform I would be...how do you say....misinformed 
From what I can tell Im doing what I need to do, to be able to run these particular wheels...however I would prefer to have a couple more opinions, soooo...
Any insight/clarification would be most appreciated.
Thanks
Casey
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Russ Wolfe
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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T-3's had the long axle from the start. The people you are talking to are T-1 people. Their 64's had the short axle.
Here is a 63 T-3 transaxle. Note the distance between the spring plate and the backing plate.
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acetate909
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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T-3's had the long axle from the start. The people you are talking to are T-1 people. Their 64's had the short axle.
Here is a 63 T-3 transaxle. Note the distance between the spring plate and the backing plate.
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hmmm... 
the '64 I was referring to was a Square in fact (Rasmussen's (sic?) in Denmark) so now Im just plain confused, especially considering its from you Russ
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Not much to be confused about, type 3 axle lengths should all be the same.....You need early type 1 axles to do what your talking about.
I have type 1 "short" axles on my '64 Notchback.
Listen to the type 3 fellas...
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I'm in the process of switching my Notch to bug "short" axles as well.
What you want is both "short" axles from an early bug and both axle tubes with the short end castings.
To get a wider tire/wheel combo in the back you can also use bug backing plates and drums — and of course all the brake shoes et al.
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acetate909
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awesome thanks guys
the 64 I've been referring to is in fact a Square, but the guys are in Denmark that I've been talking to, so maybe there are some things lost in translation :confused:
again thanks for your input everyone
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So, what about the feasability of running the '66 (IIRC) T1 'mid-length' axles on my Typ3? Depending on the offset on the repop Gasburners I'm planning on running, I might need to move things in a bit.
Side note; looks like I've got acetate909 bracketed with two of my herd ('66 on the 'back & '03 on my 20th). Looks like we have the same taste in rides.
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42ET with the short axles might be too much on a T3 and run into clearance issues on the inside
Rasmussen was running the 17in raders last i saw. and i have been told by a few people that they will not fit on a T3 with the short axles.
if you have your wheels already i would test fit them with you stock axles and see what your working with.
i also have a set of those wheels that i planned to put on my 63 notch with short axles... i am just a few small pieces away from finding out the they dont fit the hard way.
not sure if i will ditch the wheels for something else, or just stash them for another project some time... |
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acetate909
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Santa Maria!!! 
I wish I could figure out what to do here... (before having the wheels in my hand-which I should have, I know, but times are tough at the moment)
anyone else?  it seems as though the appropriate thing to do, is keep asking for people's experience with a similar setup
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Santa Maria!!!
I wish I could figure out what to do here... (before having the wheels in my hand-which I should have, I know, but times are tough at the moment)
anyone else? it seems as though the appropriate thing to do, is keep asking for people's experience with a similar setup |
get solid confirmation from someone with the exact setup that did the work THEMSELVES.
I wanted to run rader's on my '64 and was told stock setup no problem by LOTS of people and guess what...WRONG!then I got conflicting stories from people who had those wheels and what was done to achieve it and turns out half of them bought the car that way and had no idea what they were talking about  so now I know I need to convert axles if I want to look cool  but I'm still sitting on the fence and the danged fence barbs are really hurting my keister 
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| DucMike wrote: |
So, what about the feasability of running the '66 (IIRC) T1 'mid-length' axles on my Typ3? Depending on the offset on the repop Gasburners I'm planning on running, I might need to move things in a bit.
Side note; looks like I've got acetate909 bracketed with two of my herd ('66 on the 'back & '03 on my 20th). Looks like we have the same taste in rides. |
thats awesome!! I'm actually going to get her (the 337) this weekend from AZ where's she been parked for approx. 9 months in my parents garage. I cant wait!! What color is your 20ae?
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acetate909
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| acetate909 wrote: |
Santa Maria!!!
I wish I could figure out what to do here... (before having the wheels in my hand-which I should have, I know, but times are tough at the moment)
anyone else? it seems as though the appropriate thing to do, is keep asking for people's experience with a similar setup |
get solid confirmation from someone with the exact setup that did the work THEMSELVES.
I wanted to run rader's on my '64 and was told stock setup no problem by LOTS of people and guess what...WRONG!then I got conflicting stories from people who had those wheels and what was done to achieve it and turns out half of them bought the car that way and had no idea what they were talking about so now I know I need to convert axles if I want to look cool but I'm still sitting on the fence and the danged fence barbs are really hurting my keister |
Yeah thats exactly what I've been telling myself, I need someone that's running the same exact setup, but lo and behold I haven't run into anything yet....I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and figure out how to swing the wheels so I can do some test fitting.
thanks for your help wolfman, much appreciated
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no problem.I got kind of lucky in my situation. david just over an hour away from me had 2 extras mounted on 195's he let me come pick up to test on the back of my '63(as the 1500club gasps)and as soon as I let the jack down it told the story  so I sent them back to him via a friend at a car show the next weekend,no major investment down the drain.
I have axles and tubes already but I'm about to dump a fist of cash at the bodyshop and don't have it for powdercoating,isp bearing caps or to get my drum snouts machined.
the only thing I'm unclear about is the 1" spacer you need to hook your hand brake up to have it function properly.
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| Dose any body have the measurement of the axels needed. I have a spare set laying around and was wondering if they would work? |
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acetate909
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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no problem.I got kind of lucky in my situation. david just over an hour away from me had 2 extras mounted on 195's he let me come pick up to test on the back of my '63(as the 1500club gasps)and as soon as I let the jack down it told the story so I sent them back to him via a friend at a car show the next weekend,no major investment down the drain.
I have axles and tubes already but I'm about to dump a fist of cash at the bodyshop and don't have it for powdercoating,isp bearing caps or to get my drum snouts machined. |
I've realized...I need more friends
thanks for reminding me of the whole TIRE situation I was just kind of treating them like the bills, if I ignore the problem long enough it will take care of itself 
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