Pancake engine

[panicalum]

Are pancake engines always 2 L? I saw an engine in a 1973 that was a pancake. The owner told me that it was an original engine and it is a 2L. It had a carb. I'm confused.
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1976 Sage Green Westy
1959 Single Cab
1982 Vanagon Westy
1974 Thing
1962 Bug
1974 Baja Bug
1973 Blue/White Thing
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[andymcd]

they were also 1700 and 1800 i belive my 73 has a 1700 and dual carbs stock
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[Air_Cooled_Nut]

Pancake is the cooling setup, roughly speaking. It has nothing to do with engine size. The Type III engines came in 1500 & 1600 sizes.
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[CatfishCalhoun]

Aren't all VW aircooled engines "Pancake"? Four horizontal (flat) cylinders.
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[andymcd]

Air_Cooled_Nut with the what now, i thought my 73 bus had a type 4 engine in it commonly referred to as the pancake style?
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[davis911s]

[busdaddy]

Shall we throw "suitcase engine" into this just to stir it up?
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[andymcd]

lets throw in boxer engine too!
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1973 microbus with a 1968 westy interior

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[jah_B]

Porsche, Porche, porch, and porsh engine too.

What the hell, 3 in 10 used buses come with one of those, and were running when parked.
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[towd]

hey hey come now,, only the type four Buses had a Porsche motor..

[andymcd]

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[panicalum]

So how can you tell if a pancake is 1700, 1800, or 2000cc? Are parts interchangeable (heat exchangers, alternators, distributors, etc?) Are the 2000cc engines the only ones with hydraulic lifters?
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'63 Bug
gone:
69 Riviera - non walk thru-Turd
1971 Type 3 squareback
1974 Orange Westy -William
1970 Deluxe Sunroof - Tinkerbell
1973 Westy - Didn't stick around long
1976 Sage Green Westy
1959 Single Cab
1982 Vanagon Westy
1974 Thing
1962 Bug
1974 Baja Bug
1973 Blue/White Thing
1978 Sage green Westy (Mom and Dad's) got me hooked

[jah_B]

Once, you could tell by the year of bus you had. If you have a bone stock, never rebuilt gem, you will have the engine your bus came with (see ratwell, or the Samba manuals collection for info on that) For almost everyone else's bus, it could be any combination, and have hydraulic lifters or not, and the only way to tell for sure is to take the thing apart and ID and measure.

Some parts ARE interchangeable, and some aren't, like the shape of the exhaust holes on the later heads as compared to the early heads, which heads on which P&Cs, to which crank, and on and on.

Tom Wilson is a good source for some of the parts interchangeability info. So is Samba... there's a good couple dozen threads around on all that stuff.... in all kinds of places.
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1984 CABRIOLET 6spd, quaife diff, Neuspeed springs, sway bars, tie bar, short shift kit, bilstein shocks, 16X7 RSE 3pc wheels, BFG TA 205 40s

1972 tintop P30 CAMPMOBILE: M/T, 1.7L, dual kadrons, 019 diz. Sunny the S'kool Bus


You gotta know what you don't know. That's the key to wisdom. man.

[Air_Cooled_Nut]

[GusC2it]

AS Air-Cooled-Nut rightly pointed out, "Pancake" was first applied to the type 3 engines in the early 60's. Since those engines are a world apart from our type 4 bus engines, it is confusing to call our engines by that name. Most long time VW enthusiest therefore use the term "type 4" for the 1700, 1800 and 2000L bus engines.
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[Karl]

And "suitcase" was used to describe the 411 engine when it 1st came out.