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Rmvr53 Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2006 Posts: 55
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 7:43 am Post subject: Engine fire and the wiring harness on a 72 Bug |
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Wasn't a bad fire but an engine fire none the less. Is there any way to just replace the rear/engine harness and not the whole thing? I an still working out "bugs" from a full harness replacement I had to do on my Wife's 68 5 years ago. I bought the car with the harness installed but it took me a month to finish it and the lights still don't work correctly. I REALLY don't want to do a full harness again just because of a engine fire
as a secondary question - is a "main" harness the engine to fuse block only? Worst case I'm going to have to buy that to cut/splice it in.
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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33046 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Engine fire and the wiring harness on a 72 Bug |
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Way back in 1974 I had to work on a VW with an engine fire. Yes, I unwrapped the harnesses and tapped into the good wires to get it running.
Is that VW still operational 51 years later? I don't know ! _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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baldessariclan Samba Member

Joined: October 14, 2016 Posts: 2026 Location: Wichita, KS
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Engine fire and the wiring harness on a 72 Bug |
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Rmvr53 wrote: |
Is there any way to just replace the rear/engine harness and not the whole thing? |
The only way I am aware of to accomplish something like that would be to cut and splice the individual wires in the engine compartment - there are no central splice/disconnect points for those wires that I am aware of (ref. factory wiring diagram here: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/wiring/bug_6869.jpg ).
Those individual wires are bundled together with others for a lot of their length, and run through things like the “death foam” over the wheel well, under the carpeting along the edge of floor pan, etc. So not really any easy way to pull and install new ones along their entire length. _________________ 1971 Standard Beetle — fairly stock / driver
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cjsuner Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Engine fire and the wiring harness on a 72 Bug |
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I had a 74 catch fire 2 years ago,
As you can see, it wasn't a awful fire, but it was enough to cook all of the wires.
Like you, I didn't want to do a full replacement, just for the few wires that are in the engine, so I cut it back until I had clean, not crispy wires, and spliced in new wires from there. Now, for me at the time, my buddy had a parts care, and I was able to take it's wiring loom out, and put wires into here, but I still ended up cutting and splicing the new wires on, instead of doing a full replacement harness.
_________________ 71 Super Convertible (Orange)
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OldSchoolVW's  Samba Member

Joined: July 03, 2020 Posts: 1398 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire and the wiring harness on a 72 Bug |
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This would be an opportune time to install a terminal block with quick disconnect terminals something like this.
https://ceautoelectricsupply.com/product/terminal-...7Qvf3-aflk
A single location to disconnect all the engine wires when pulling the engine. Just be sure all the wires are tagged and/or colors match on both sides of the block.
Just a thought. _________________ Tom
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Rmvr53 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire and the wiring harness on a 72 Bug |
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Tom
close to what I was thinking. I was actually considering similar but using new "old style" clear 4 wire connectors so it kinda looked like it was supposed to be that way. ' |
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diamondblue1969 Samba Member

Joined: February 19, 2010 Posts: 142 Location: ONTARIO
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire and the wiring harness on a 72 Bug |
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They do make a repair harness
https://www.cip1.ca/c16-w-1001/ |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 79433 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire and the wiring harness on a 72 Bug |
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Let me guess, plastic fuel filter?
_________________ Glenn
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OldSchoolVW's  Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire and the wiring harness on a 72 Bug |
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Rmvr53 wrote: |
I was actually considering similar but using new "old style" clear 4 wire connectors so it kinda looked like it was supposed to be that way.' |
I don't think anyone sells a reproduction of the original 4 way connectors. These are in the Samba Classifieds and are probably as close as you'll get the original style. Cut to the number of attached connectors you want:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2696504 _________________ Tom
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cjsuner Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire and the wiring harness on a 72 Bug |
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Glenn wrote: |
Let me guess, plastic fuel filter?
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Lol NO.
Fuel line drip onto hot exhaust is our best guess as to what happened. New fuel line too, it was the maiden voyage of the car outside the neighborhood. _________________ 71 Super Convertible (Orange)
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Rmvr53 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2025 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: Engine fire and the wiring harness on a 72 Bug |
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OldSchoolVW's wrote: |
Rmvr53 wrote: |
I was actually considering similar but using new "old style" clear 4 wire connectors so it kinda looked like it was supposed to be that way.' |
I don't think anyone sells a reproduction of the original 4 way connectors. These are in the Samba Classifieds and are probably as close as you'll get the original style. Cut to the number of attached connectors you want:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2696504 |
VWWerks does have them in sticks of 12. So I bought a stick. Quite reasonable on the price as well. Thanks for the lead. Now to buy the car or worst case (or best?) is to use them on my replicar if I don't get the 72. Thanks all for the ideas and directions
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 10524 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Engine fire and the wiring harness on a 72 Bug |
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The stock-style connectors shown above would look best, but you still should solder on the wire "female" ends for optimal electrical connections. Another wiring connection possibility is this style, similar to VW's own black-colored terminals used thru '60. This style does not need the wire end have a female terminal, though for best connectity the wires' bare ends should be "tinned" with solder to keep all of the individual wire strands together.
If you select this style, it'd be best to mount the strips vertically (wires come in from the sides) so that any water does not run into the wire chambers if the strips were mounted horizontally with the wires inserted vertically.
The now nearly defunct Radio Shack stores used to sell these terminal blocks with 2 hole sizes- the smaller ones for "thin to medium" wires such as up to 16 gauge, and a larger one for "larger" wires such as 12 gauge. So if you pursue one of the above blocks, make sure the chamber holes have large enough diameters for your car's thickest wires such as the B+ at the generator/alternator. |
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