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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:30 pm    Post subject: Severe Dusty Conditions Question Reply with quote

I will be attending an event which is going to be held on a dry lake bed so it will be very fine particulate conditions and a usual daily dust storm sometimes lasting 8 to 10 hours (yes i know what type of hell is my poor bus going to be subjected to??). My bus will not have a stock engine since the trip will be over 2000 miles round trip loaded down with parts and supplies for this desert adventure of a lifetime. The plan is a 1915 or a 1904 with dual carbs, not sure if they will be dells or kadrons.

I have read about the cyclone filters and the elusive unconfirmed M010 additional seal for dusty conditions. I have also seen the single cab vents and air supply tube and slot in the engine compartment and aussie style high vents and roof tubes.

Since the body mods are out of the question, does anyone know if the "engine compartment seal" (m010), which looks like a thin rubber sheet surrounding the sides and rear of the engine held down with strips of steel and screws/rivets, is part of the high vent option or is it a stand alone deal? The pics I have seen do not show the complete sealing of the engine and seem to have the front open, how is this supposed to help with the dust? Is it just supposed to keep the dust off the engine or will it help with keeping the dust out of the air filter(s) as well? Since it will be in the desert in August will this cause higher engine temps?? The remaining piece of seal in the pic looked just like roofing felt, will it hold up to engine compartment temps or just melt and make a mess?

I was thinking of just using quality tall (6 ich) dual carb filters (oil type or ???) with some foam prefilters and an additional pre pre filter like outerwears. Do you think this will be enough, too much, or should I make the engine cover surround like the stock m010 as well?

Here the post that gave me the idea

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=341372&highlight=010
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think good ol' oil bath air filters are pretty damn good with dust, probably more effective than paper or foam elements, but that's just my opinion.
A properly oiled foam element would probably work fine.
The extra sealing (M010) also included some caulking/putty in all the crevices surrounding the engine compartment (at least on my truck).
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the manuals, even the dusty conditions oil bath air cleaner should be checked and cleaned "as needed" in dusty conditions. This could be every day, if it's dusty enough.

What I think is most important, whichever filters you're using, is to check and change them often under extreme conditions. This is a bit easier with the oil bath kind (just clean it out). Also the oil bath just filters better. But if you have to use regular air filters, I'd bring along a lot of spares and not be shy about changing them.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe consider using a outerwear "if you dont want to buy one a womens stocking works well" like the off road guys use on sandrails
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject: dust. Reply with quote

I Will be going to burning man in my bus this year as well, in my 62 panel ,I'll tell you what i do cuz this will be the third year me and my bus make the trip from the Oregon coast, first, make sure you have extra air filters(i run a 2110 so an oil bath is out for me) or plenty of oil. you will probably sit idling in stop and go for a long time getting in and when you leave. I wrap extra 1/2 inch upholstry foam around my air cleaners too. also when you are there use some masking tape (the blue kind with mild glue) to seal up all your vents,engine lid,doors you wont use ,etc. if you dont the daily silt storms will get in everything!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:53 pm    Post subject: Re: dust. Reply with quote

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I Will be going to burning man in my bus this year as well, in my 62 panel ,I'll tell you what i do cuz this will be the third year me and my bus make the trip from the Oregon coast, first, make sure you have extra air filters(i run a 2110 so an oil bath is out for me) or plenty of oil. you will probably sit idling in stop and go for a long time getting in and when you leave. I wrap extra 1/2 inch upholstry foam around my air cleaners too. also when you are there use some masking tape (the blue kind with mild glue) to seal up all your vents,engine lid,doors you wont use ,etc. if you dont the daily silt storms will get in everything!


thanks, thats where i am going and needed to hear. last year was my first and i took my 73 Jimmy. you are right, dust in everything! i didnt have the hard top on it and had to endure the heat and dust on the cruise in and out. do you do anything else to the engine for the trip? extra oil cooler or sump? do you stay in bus camp too?
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