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yunazz
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Herewith the pic of my new type 3 
im a noob to type 3s so im nervous but excited about taking on the venture.
the plan is that she gets a complete overhaul. im keeping the original interior which is still in a fair condition but the PO did some botched repair work on the body so that needs to all be redone.
lowered it today but the front appears to be slightly higher than the rear, going to put smaller tires in the front to correct that, hopefully
(any suggestions welcome
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looks awsome  |
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Did you adjust the inner or the outer splines in the rear?
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yunazz
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| outer i think although im not sure, pulled the arm out and put it in 2 notches up |
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yunazz
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| is there comprehensive information on a type 1 beam swap? i would like to do this conversion but need all the information before my engineer guy will attempt? |
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| is there comprehensive information on a type 1 beam swap? i would like to do this conversion but need all the information before my engineer guy will attempt? |
There is a ton of info here on beam swaps but be ready for heated debate about it. You will find most folks here on the Samba forums trying to talk you out of it. Do a thorough search of the Samba T3 forum and you will see what I mean. On the Shop Talk Forums you might find more kind ears to your plans. But remember, it is a downgrade in supension technology going from a T3 to a T1 front end, it is permanent due to the cutting out of the T3 beam mounts, and you car will ride/handle like crap without spending a ton of money. Ultimatly it is your car, which from the pics looks like a nice example of an un-molested squareback. Do what you want, but a T1 beam swap makes its value depreciate into the toilet.
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Jimmy the t3 section on STF is only about stuffing a t4 motor into a t3, and some sweet brake upgrades. I think those conversion beam guys hang out in the bug forums since they want to have a bug so bad  |
I don't go to STF anymore (like I ever did... let's be honest) mostly because those guys are really into super techniical stuff like motors and real-deal honest-to-goodness performance and I am more into chrome bits and repop accys. I would spend my hard earned money on a tach rather than a motor that actually needs one.
I do like talking about brake upgrades though..... 
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| is there comprehensive information on a type 1 beam swap? i would like to do this conversion but need all the information before my engineer guy will attempt? |
There is a ton of info here on beam swaps but be ready for heated debate about it. You will find most folks here on the Samba forums trying to talk you out of it. Do a thorough search of the Samba T3 forum and you will see what I mean. On the Shop Talk Forums you might find more kind ears to your plans. But remember, it is a downgrade in supension technology going from a T3 to a T1 front end, it is permanent due to the cutting out of the T3 beam mounts, and you car will ride/handle like crap without spending a ton of money. Ultimatly it is your car, which from the pics looks like a nice example of an un-molested squareback. Do what you want, but a T1 beam swap makes its value depreciate into the toilet. |
my car rides just as good as it did with the type3 beam dropped 4 splines. it also is not a PERMANENT swap. i cut my bottom mounts at a very specific point and should i ever so choose they CAN be welded back on. most of the people talking about the suspension downgrade have never riden in a converted car. much less one with proper shocks. yeah that can be a big part of it in my opinion no shocks on a conversion beam MAY be part of the "bad ride". try taking the shocks off the stock t3 beam and see how it rides. a narrowed t1 beam gets stiffer spring rates which puts it pretty close in line with a type3s spring ratings. oh and i don't get my fillings knocked out since theres no bottom beam mounts hanging down to catch on big dips. and yeah i know how to avoid that but no one is gonna catch ALL of them. i've been driving LOW cars for 25 years and in the 4 years i drove my 4 spline lowered square i probably bottomed out 10 times...
i will say this don't think in terms of how much t1s get narrowed. in most all cases on a t3 conversion 2-4" unless you are running some WIDE wheels. 3.5" or less if you plan to run shocktowers. mine is -4" and the only regret i have is i probably shoulda only went -3"...ken....
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| jimmynotch wrote: |
| yunazz wrote: |
| is there comprehensive information on a type 1 beam swap? i would like to do this conversion but need all the information before my engineer guy will attempt? |
There is a ton of info here on beam swaps but be ready for heated debate about it. You will find most folks here on the Samba forums trying to talk you out of it. Do a thorough search of the Samba T3 forum and you will see what I mean. On the Shop Talk Forums you might find more kind ears to your plans. But remember, it is a downgrade in supension technology going from a T3 to a T1 front end, it is permanent due to the cutting out of the T3 beam mounts, and you car will ride/handle like crap without spending a ton of money. Ultimatly it is your car, which from the pics looks like a nice example of an un-molested squareback. Do what you want, but a T1 beam swap makes its value depreciate into the toilet. |
my car rides just as good as it did with the type3 beam dropped 4 splines. it also is not a PERMANENT swap. i cut my bottom mounts at a very specific point and should i ever so choose they CAN be welded back on. most of the people talking about the suspension downgrade have never riden in a converted car. much less one with proper shocks. yeah that can be a big part of it in my opinion no shocks on a conversion beam MAY be part of the "bad ride". try taking the shocks off the stock t3 beam and see how it rides. a narrowed t1 beam gets stiffer spring rates which puts it pretty close in line with a type3s spring ratings. oh and i don't get my fillings knocked out since theres no bottom beam mounts hanging down to catch on big dips. and yeah i know how to avoid that but no one is gonna catch ALL of them. i've been driving LOW cars for 25 years and in the 4 years i drove my 4 spline lowered square i probably bottomed out 10 times...
i will say this don't think in terms of how much t1s get narrowed. in most all cases on a t3 conversion 2-4" unless you are running some WIDE wheels. 3.5" or less if you plan to run shocktowers. mine is -4" and the only regret i have is i probably shoulda only went -3"...ken.... |
So to the OP... As I said, you will get a wide array of opinions on this subject. So do what you want. Its your car. And as with anything, theres a right way and a wrong way. Have fun.
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yunazz
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ok so there is lots to think about, how many clicks can one go down in front?
i believe ive gone 2 down is it possible to further lower the car by doing another click? any help? oh and about the t1 swap, i had a T1 beam in my karmann ghia. with kyb GR2s and avis adjusters and it drove like the beesknees......my 2 cents |
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I'd Raise it 1 click in the rear and then pick my new/used tires to give it a little forward rake. You'll never 'keep up with traffic' slammed on the ground! 
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yunazz
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| @ mike fisher that makes sense but how to i raise one click in the rear? theres a lot of talk about inner and outer splines, not sure which is which. sorry for all the questions |
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It's not easy, but it can be done. Buy a $5 Magnetic Angle Gauge to check the angles of your torsion bars. I've always adjusted the inner (opposite side of the car) splines. SEARCH for the raising/lowering video that cugir did for some good advice.
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how far of level is it when NOT backed into the parking spot. swing axles cars "squat" when backed up. an inch of squat or more isn't uncommon. oh and maybe it's the angle but that looks more like 3 splines up front than 2. here's mine before and after the t1 swap.......
stock beam 3(or 4 splines up front and 2 out back)
145/65/15 front tires 185/65/15 rear tires
-4" narrowed conversion beam 145/65/15 front and 185/65/15 rear
and going further back 185/55/15 front 195/65/15 rear with t3 beam at the same height as the pic with the fuchs.....
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| ok, so ill pull it forward at take some new side profile pics tomorrow, i think im gonna fir some 145/55/15s upfront and see what difference they make, hopefully i can get a set this weekend oh and some shortened GR2 shocks upfront |
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go 165/60/15. from there i would go either 145/65/15 or 185/55/15. 145/55 would be to short. especially with the stock beam. you need something with more sidewall to keep those bottom beam mounts off the ground. a 175/60/15 lowered 4 splines will probably have more or the same clearance at the bottom mounts as 145/65/15 and 3 splines lowered. and with doing more of your lowering via suspension you are "tucking" the wheel up in the wheel arch which gives the illusion of it being lower even if the bottom of the car is the same height distance to the ground as with shorter tires. oh and the smaller the sidewall the more harsh the ride as it doesn't have the same sidewall reflex. the 185/55/15 was actually one of the more favored tires i ran. since i went a little to narrow(even considering i changed from et42 to et 25 wheels) i don't have the inner fender room to run a 185 now without rubbing the inner fender fairly regularly.
i'd say thats a big part of choosing narrowed beam set up. you have to think of your wheel choice. if your staying stock or something close to a stock set up -2" should be about as far as you go. aftermarket wheels with an et20-25, -3"thru-4" is plenty narrow. i could probably run a 5.5" wheel with an et0 and have no problems with my set up....ken....
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cool! i should probably fit some short shocks then.
anyone have the part number for the shortened KYB gas shocks upfront for a type 3? |
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That is one sexy stance.
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