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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:06 am    Post subject: Sliding Hinge roller bearings? Reply with quote

On my slding door hinge the top 2 bearing are loosing it
the plastic cap is gone one 1 and the bearings are rusting
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http://members.shaw.ca/trclark/vwvan/P3310002.JPG
http://members.shaw.ca/trclark/vwvan/P3310001.JPG

Is this the part#211843359B for the 2 top sealed rollers guide bearings
or
is it the 1 roller bearing on left side of the image that supports the door in the track
http://www.bughaus.com/Hinge_roller_-_211843359B.htm
or better price here
http://www.eisparts.com/211843359B.html


EDIT left side of the image is the Hinge Roller 211843359B
Also found another post that show this
http://www.mcmaster.com/#3434t23/=194civ
but says the bearing are a BIT too wide & wont thread onto the hinge shaft


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not answering you question, but I was able to replace them with a couple bearings I found at my local hardware store, alot cheaper and quicker and going through one of the oem suppliers.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but I was able to replace them with a couple bearings I found at my local hardware store, alot cheaper and quicker and going through one of the oem suppliers.


yup I believe that but where do you start for me in a small town that usually an epic 3 day adventure w/o any results guarantee

Anyone have a part# spec for the upper roller bearings from a generic bearing mfg ?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used bearings off skateboard wheels and they are working fine.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sobeys wrote:
I used bearings off skateboard wheels and they are working fine.

Hey OK other say the same thing
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=190339

You say the bearings I would really want the entire sealed guide bearing assembly not just the actual bearing inside the assembly

BUT can someone post the part# / brand please Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The larger grooved guide roller's part number is;
VW #251-843-161-price $120.57

The two support roller's part number is;
VW # 251-843-423-A price, $35.92 ea.

You'll run into problems locating a new guide bearing from any bearing supplier.
I think VW had a lock on that.

If you need that bearing, or the other two, I have a set of the three you'll need in perfect shape.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, since skateboard bearings are pretty much the same size, and every skateboard wheel is manufactured to fit those bearings, you will be pretty safe to walk into any skate shop and ask for wheel bearings. Bring your old one with you to compare (and a pair of calipers for measuring).

Or, maybe you can call these guys with some detailed measurements:

http://bearingsdirect.com/

good luck!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like that--

Skateboard bearings are about the same size--

How much is "about"

Didn't know we were playing horseshoe's, where close is good enough--

I have the three bearings in front of me.

No number's on the small support roller's, and the guide roller has RSM on the caged plastic piece which won't get you anywhere.

I've already been to Berry Bearing with the guide / grooved roller.

It ain't available.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terry Kay wrote:
I like that--

Skateboard bearings are about the same size--


I'm glad I could bring joy to your life!

The skateboard bearings are all the same size. The wheel and truck design for skateboards hasn't changed in 20 years. The ID of the bearing is the same and is designed to work with any truck manufacturer. So, if the bearing fits on the van, that would be a real cheap alternative to the $100 bearings you priced.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terry Kay wrote:
The larger grooved guide roller's part number is;
VW #251-843-161-price $120.57

TK did that part# supercede 211843359B
http://www.eisparts.com/211843359B.html cus I cant find that in any of the online catalogs (ie invalid part#251-843-161)


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The skateboard roller's have the same ID & OD and the outer race has a 1/8th U groove cast in it?

Or are you talking about the two guide roller's that have smooth outer races?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terry Kay wrote:
The skateboard roller's have the same ID & OD and the outer race has a 1/8th U groove cast in it?

Or are you talking about the two guide roller's that have smooth outer races?


They say the skateboards bearings are a replacement for the 2 guide rollers
in my image above its the 2 bearings on top

& I think that http://www.eisparts.com/211843359B.html
is a replacement for the part# you find as 251-843-161
on the 83-85 slider
see the bd chart here
http://busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=211843359B
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terry Kay wrote:
The skateboard roller's have the same ID & OD and the outer race has a 1/8th U groove cast in it?

Or are you talking about the two guide roller's that have smooth outer races?


No Terry, I edited my post, sorry. I meant to say that the skate bearings are all the same size due to standardization. ID and OD. Not that they are the same size as the slider bearing.

I do not know off the top of my head about the U groove, but it sounds and looks right. Pic:

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I used to make longboards in my shop as a hobby but I haven't done any in a couple of years.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just as an FYI, skateboard bearings can cost from $10-$50 for an 8 pack. I just happen to have been randomly looking at them the other day at my buddy's skate shop.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UPDATE
Found a skate shop I deliberately BOUGHT the cheeepest chinese bearing they stocked $1 for each as an experiment to see how long its gonna last
they are a PERFECT FIT I mean ID, OD & width(thickness)
And looks looks there is no thrust stress on the upper 2 glide bearings
so not sure they need any real performance

Terry Kay wrote:

You'll run into problems locating a new guide bearing from any bearing supplier. I think VW had a lock on that.

sorry TK looks that is not quite true

getting off the old 1 required cutting it off with a dremmel

see here

http://members.shaw.ca/trclark/vwvan/P4020014.JPG
http://members.shaw.ca/trclark/vwvan/P4020017.JPG

If these fail I'll will splurge & by the most expensive they have a fully seal units with roller bearings $10/bearing made in US of A


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

did it quiet your door down any? man mine is loud.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

<<<sorry TK looks that is not quite true>>>

again you guy's are talking about the two horizontal support bearings.
The picture that popped up here looks like the skate bearings might work--just as long as the mounting shaft ID , and the outer race OD is the same.

And Again I'm going to tell you once more that the vertical guide bearing , that has the "U" channel cut in it, you ain't gonna locate in any toy store.

If and when you do, be sure to post the name of the store, the bearing number, and the mfg. of that bearing.

It is quite true--and it ain't gonna happen.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terry Kay wrote:


If and when you do, be sure to post the name of the store, the bearing number, and the mfg. of that bearing.


getting real close here TK
http://www.mcmaster.com/#3434t23/=19skyh
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like one of them might work--buy a couple of them and let the list know which one is it.

I'm in a different position than you guys fixing/ hacking away/ shoemakering on your Vans'

I rebuild the rear sliding door hinges for other folks who aren't quite as inventive, adept, as you are.

I can't afford to have a roller skate, Radio Flyer Wagon, or baby buggy wheel bearings fail.

I buy the right stuff at VW, the bearings spacer's, o-rings , springs, pins, bushings, seals, and have a failure warrantee if the parts for some reason go bad.

I have no inclination to jip the job, just for the sake of getting the job done on the cheap.

I do the repair one time and it's done for another 20 some years--or until the Vehicle turns to dust--whichever comes first.

It's a top priority, and the job is done right.

You guy's can do what you want with your vehicle's.

Brand X parts aren't in my vocabulary.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cant wait to see a write up on this one!

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