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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:46 pm    Post subject: Aux Air Valve Voltage Question. Reply with quote

Hello Samba,

1984 Westy.

I have read a number of posts on this subject but I am not quite sure where the voltage comes from to power the AAR. If I turn the key on and check the voltage of the two leads I don't get any voltage. Should I be getting voltage from the two leads in the plug?

Is this unit on a separate circuit breaker?

Thank you,
John
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:20 am    Post subject: Re: Aux Air Valve Voltage Question. Reply with quote

It is power via the fuel pump relay so will have power under the same conditions as the fuel pump:

1: Momentarily when you turn the key to the run position

or

2: When the engine is cranking and/or running.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:37 am    Post subject: Re: Aux Air Valve Voltage Question. Reply with quote

So, voltage on one wire, and ground on the other to complete the circuit. Wiring diagram shows White wire as power spliced off the Injectors Power wire, and Brown/Yellow as the ground wire. Ground point is #18 , which is the bolted eyelet connection at the top of the Left Cyl head[ drivers side].
Might be a bit hard to see and work with if you have A/C Compressor installed, as the Compressor hides the wiring a bit.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: Aux Air Valve Voltage Question. Reply with quote

I will check it with the engine running. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Aux Air Valve Voltage Question. Reply with quote

Good info. Checked while engine running and had power. Took the AAR off and checked using separate leads. Closed within two minutes.

Trying to determine why the Westy runs better with the 02 sensor disconnected.
eliminating potential causes.

JM
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Aux Air Valve Voltage Question. Reply with quote

84Westy48 wrote:
Good info. Checked while engine running and had power. Took the AAR off and checked using separate leads. Closed within two minutes.

Trying to determine why the Westy runs better with the 02 sensor disconnected.
eliminating potential causes.

JM
With Engine idling- Start with light spraying of Carb Cleaner around the throttle housing, pause to listen for idle speed change. We're trying to see if there are any Vacuum leaks that increase idle speed as the vacuum sucks in the Carb Cleaner at idle. Move to the rubber hoses that are on the 4 manifold pipes next to the throttle, they're known for cracking with age.
On a 1,9 engine like yours, and mine... Smile there are a good amount of small vacuum hoses over and around the air cleaner area, and they are attached to a plastic Tee fitting/Y fitting- both can crack, giving you vacuum leaks.

Make sure that ground point on the Drivers Cyl head has clean eyelets on ALL the ground/Brown wires there, and that the cyl head surface, and the mounting bolt, aren't rusted/corroded themselves.
Add grease or Die Electric Grease to the outer surfaces of the eyelets once you're wire brushed them and the cyl head surface to protect them from oxidizing more[ I'm assuming you get Salt Air attacking the different metals]
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Aux Air Valve Voltage Question. Reply with quote

84Westy48 wrote:
Good info. Checked while engine running and had power. Took the AAR off and checked using separate leads. Closed within two minutes.

Trying to determine why the Westy runs better with the 02 sensor disconnected.
eliminating potential causes.

JM


When my O2 sensor went bad my van ran WAY better with the sensor unplugged. Others will need to explain how to test the O2 sensor - I just bought a new one since it was relatively cheap (here on the mainland) and I had a pretty good idea of what killed my old one.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Aux Air Valve Voltage Question. Reply with quote

I had a chance to work on the Westy. Ultimately trying to resolve the lack of performance once the van warms up. Once warm the van hesitates off idle and through the normal range of RPM's. I replaced the aux air regulator with one that's was tested. No change. Reinstalled the original reconditioned distributor timed and 35 BTDC and 3000 RPM. No change. Changed the temp 2 sensor. No change. Checked the function of the single micro switch on the GoWesty throttle body. No change. Decided to disconnect the 02 sensor. The van ran better than it ever has... Now I need to determine why. I replaced the ground wire to the engine and cleaned the remainder of the brown leads.
I replaced the 02 sensor with a new one. Still runs anemic when connected.

A classic example of throwing parts at a problem.

Plan to take it to the Buslab tomorrow to have the upper and lower ball joints replaced, will have them look at it. defeated after a long stretch of trouble shooting.

I checked the compression and all four cylinders measured 165 psi.

-John
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Aux Air Valve Voltage Question. Reply with quote

Thanks for all the help! Will post once Buslab takes a look see.
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