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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:41 pm    Post subject: Secret NAPA fuel pump part # found! Reply with quote

Well, on Saturday my van died here in town and I pretty quickly figured out it was the fuel pump. When turning on the ignition it would make a very sick sound and there was zero pressure at the T. My van's an 84 and I have all the records for it through all the owners and nowhere in them did I find a replaced fuel pump.

So, I called NAPA to see if by chance they had a pump in stock - of course they didn't and they quoted me something up near $200 for it. Then I started reading around theSamba about fuel pump issues and found some threads mentioning using mid-80's Ford fuel pumps. With the NAPA part number for the pump I returned to the store on Sunday and asked them if they had it. He said they didn't have the '2P' series for it but only the 'P' series. The 'P' series is apparently a higher quality part and this one cost $119 for a US made Carter. He brought it out and while I was looking at he started pecking around on his computer. When he looked up some mid 80's Ford listings for fuel pump it had an alternative part number for a Bosch pump (while also listing the original number I asked for). He says, "Hey, I've got a Bosch pump for $3 cheaper than that Carter. And since it's Bosch, your van won't freak out. Wanna see it?". And I says, "Yes!". That's right, German made Bosch pump almost identical to the OEM for $116. The only difference is it uses ring terminals instead of spade terminals and the output is tapped to accept different fittings (but they include the correct one). Since both the inlet and outlet are 7mm I decided to go with the Ford fuel filter since both it's inlets and outlets are the same size. I just finished installing it and it was a piece of cake. Hopefully this helps someone stranded and waiting for a true VW part#'d fuel pump.

Here are the NAPA part numbers:
fuel pump - N69100 (he looked up an 84 Mustang 5.0)
filter - 3032

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sylvan your the man, I have wanted to carry a spare fuel pump for a long time.

Thanks for sharing this info! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you by chance check the fuel pressure after installing the new one? I wonder if it is close to the OEM one. A bit higher wouldn't matter I think as the pressure regulator should take care of it. I get parts from NAPA
at sizable discount so I will price one out on Monday. I'd love to carry a spare also.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I checked into this a few months back. ended up going with one from BD instead. this is the one I was looking at: NAPA Part # TFP 2P74028


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

924s/944 porsche pump.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BillM wrote:
Did you by chance check the fuel pressure after installing the new one? I wonder if it is close to the OEM one. A bit higher wouldn't matter I think as the pressure regulator should take care of it. I get parts from NAPA
at sizable discount so I will price one out on Monday. I'd love to carry a spare also.


I didn't actually gauge the pressure after I installed, but the data sheet in their computer said 44psi - which is a bit higher but as you said the regulator should compensate.

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I checked into this a few months back. ended up going with one from BD instead. this is the one I was looking at: NAPA Part # TFP 2P74028


2P74028 is the part # for the Carter (Ford) part I went in looking for. I figured for less money and a closer match that I'd get the Bosch.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Secret NAPA fuel pump part# found! Reply with quote

sylvan wrote:

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what is the part# of that metal filter that is on the tank side of the pump
of the new bosch unit
I have had issue getting the stock plastic filter in stock locally a few times
(small town stuff)
OK try reading
http://www.globalfleetfiltration.com/305999_3032_NAPA_Gold_Fuel_Filter.html
and its only 2.67
locally for that plastic 1 they want $8-$18
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Secret NAPA fuel pump part# found! Reply with quote

tclark wrote:

what is the part# of that metal filter that is on the tank side of the pump
of the new bosch unit
I have had issue getting the stock plastic filter in stock locally a few times
(small town stuff)
OK try reading
http://www.globalfleetfiltration.com/305999_3032_NAPA_Gold_Fuel_Filter.html
and its only 2.67
locally for that plastic 1 they want $8-$18


The part # is in my original post. Be aware that the metal filter has the same size inlet and outlet (not sure exactly what size it is but the 7mm line fits real snug) instead of the 7mm inlet and 12mm outlet of the stock filter.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:01 pm    Post subject: fuel pump Reply with quote

Very Happy Please post on how it works...I, like Bruce, got a couple of the cheap fuel pumps from BD and both are VERY LOUD...I would like to find a better cheap alternative.
Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this might be a good one for the "sticky" list
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHITEWESTY wrote:
this might be a good one for the "sticky" list

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

great post! complete details including part numbers, and photos, beautiful work..

fwiw, Im told the 87 Ford F150 fuel pump also works great
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great find! If the flow rate is high enough, this would be a good option for all those folks dealing with their 7mm outlet tanks trying to make them work with the 11mm inlet pumps. If the peak pressure is 44psi then there isn't a lot of headroom there, all I would think might result from that would be a shorter overall service life since as the pump ages its peak pressure may fluctuate below the regulator's upper pressure setting. In any event, you don't need to worry about the system pressure being off, the regulator, not the pump, takes carfe of that. It limits pressure to the right level as long as the pumps pressure is higher, within the regulator's tolerance. That tolerance is very high as the stock pump puts out 70-80si into a blocked line. What would happen with this lower-pressure pump is that the regulator is just bleeding off less of the line pressure. So long as the flow rate is sufficient, there shouldn't be any problems, though, but with age and wear that threshhold may be crossed earlier than it would be with a stock pump that has higher pressure overhead.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:13 am    Post subject: fuel pump for less than $50..................... Reply with quote

I agree with Jon.
Great post.

Here is what I have to add:

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This is a fuel pump from a Benz that I purchased NEW on eBay for $39 + shipping. Here is a link from the same company but this pump is direct fit for a few dollars more. Still under $50.

http://tinyurl.com/vanagon-fuel-pump

It had a fitting for a banjo which I removed.
3/8" FI hose fits right over the end.
You can reduce it down anywhere from the pump to the engine compartment. I use Goodyear FI hose with the blue Vitron inner sleeve, also available by the foot on eBay for around $4 a foot.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tencentlife wrote:
Great find! If the flow rate is high enough, this would be a good option for all those folks dealing with their 7mm outlet tanks t...


Thanks 10C. I just found another page that rates the pump at 44psi and 33.02gph. More than enough I assume since it can feed a 302ci engine alright.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great, it has twice the flow rate of the stock pump, then. It might even last longer since at a little over half the OEM pressure, the thing is under a lot less stress.

You do need to be sure it has a check valve. The OEM pump has it built in. The system has to have this on the supply side to hold static pressure at rest for quick starts, especially when hot. I liked the arrangement they did with the old CIS systems, where the check valve was in the fitting that screwed into the output end of the pump, so it was replaceable apart from the pump.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: fuel pump for less than $50..................... Reply with quote

insyncro wrote:
I agree with Jon.
Great post.

Here is what I have to add:

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This is a fuel pump from a Benz that I purchased NEW on eBay for $39 + shipping. Here is a link from the same company but this pump is direct fit for a few dollars more. Still under $50.

http://tinyurl.com/vanagon-fuel-pump

It had a fitting for a banjo which I removed.
3/8" FI hose fits right over the end.
You can reduce it down anywhere from the pump to the engine compartment. I use Goodyear FI hose with the blue Vitron inner sleeve, also available by the foot on eBay for around $4 a foot.

dylan



Thats some real good information you all have posted. All I could add to the mix is the choice of fuel line clamps....would it be safer to use the non toothed type of clamp ??
Not trying to cause a pissing match here just want to learn all I can.
Whats your opinion of the fuel line clamps that Van Cafe sells or The Depot or Go Westy?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pictured clamp was for testing purposes.
I use clamps from McMaster Carr.
I get the ones that are shielded so they don't mark the hose.
Regular clamps like the one in my picture can rupture a hose if given the chance.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: fuel pump Reply with quote

ccisco wrote:
Very Happy Please post on how it works...I, like Bruce, got a couple of the cheap fuel pumps from BD and both are VERY LOUD...I would like to find a better cheap alternative.
Thanks
Charles


mine is nice and quiet.


Jon_slider wrote:
great post! complete details including part numbers, and photos, beautiful work..

fwiw, Im told the 87 Ford F150 fuel pump also works great


If I remember right that is the one I looked into. NAPA Part # TFP2P74028
$88.79
Attributes
Fuel Pump Gallons Per Hour : 30-40
Fuel Pump Pressure Rating : 4-6
Warranty
1 Year
seems I can never link from the NAPA website.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

insyncro wrote:
The pictured clamp was for testing purposes.
I use clamps from McMaster Carr.
I get the ones that are shielded so they don't mark the hose.
Regular clamps like the one in my picture can rupture a hose if given the chance.


Good deal
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