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iamdonquixote
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 Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:45 am Post subject: Spring plate bolt questions |
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Needed to remove my transmission.
Did many searches
One bolt hole was stripped. Couldn't get a timesert so used helicoil, yuk, seemed to work though.
Questions:
1) can I replace the helicoil with a timesert later on?
2) what washers are used for bolts, I noticed a lock plate in a pic? where can they be found?
3) what is the torque spec? ( don't have a Bentley handy right now )
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hazetguy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:49 am Post subject: Re: spring plate bolt questions |
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| iamdonquixote wrote: |
Needed to remove my transmission.
Did many searches
One bolt hole was stripped. Couldn't get a timesert so used helicoil, yuk, seemed to work though.
Questions:
1) can I replace the helicoil with a timesert later on?
2) what washers are used for bolts, I noticed a lock plate in a pic? where can they be found?
3) what is the torque spec? ( don't have a Bentley handy right now )
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1) i have not tried to replace a helicoil with a timesert. i guess it could be done. a helicoil is a coil and could probably be "uncoiled", a timesert is a solid insert and they say they can be drilled out if necessary.
2) http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=825680
or if you want original style lock plates, WW reproduces them: http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211598600
they also sell bolts, but i don't know what grade they are: http://wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=N101191
3) torque spec is 100-120Nm (or 72-86 ft. lbs) and are tightened in this sequence:
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Clara 
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:04 am Post subject: Re: spring plate bolt questions |
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The earlier buses came with 17mm heads on the RGB bolts
the later have 19mm.
I believe the change was when they dropped the lock plates in favor of the washers.
Always use a tap to clean out the threads in the RGB, so you can thread them in by hand. Avoid crossthreading.
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Campy
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The spring plate bolts that I have removed from the big stub axle RGBs have been longer than the earlier ones. Someone said that, because the lock washers were thicker than the lock plates, they used longer bolts. Is that true?
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BarryL
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| I'm tending to agree with you. I wonder if the parts list shows a difference. I like the longer ones for Bays and then I chase a bottoming tap on down and use the thick ass lock washers when I can find them. |
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hazetguy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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the replacement washers are not lock washers, they are spring washers. the spring washers are thinner than a lock washer. the spring washers are about the same thickness as an original lock plate.
the part number, in the parts book, is N 10 199 1 Bolt, hex. head M 12 X 1.5 X 25 - Spring plate mounting from chassis No. 20 117 902
i've taken out plenty of "early" bolts and "late" bolts (whatever), they are 25mm in length.
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mr. warehouse
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| If anyone needs OG bolts in 17mm or 19mm heads, I have literally 10 coffee cans full of them at my shop. |
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BarryL
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| Do you have a pic of a Bay one and its washer? |
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hazetguy
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| BarryL wrote: |
| Do you have a pic of a Bay one and its washer? |
pics of a bay's what? |
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BarryL
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| The Bay springplate-to-bearing housing bolt that is similar. I couldn't look it up on the parts website as it only goes to '67. It uses a spring washer but with a thick lock washer it will go all the way into a RGB. Or nevermind as it doesn't actually pertain. |
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Major Woody
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| Threads like this remind me of how much the use of anti-seize has changed my life. I should devise a little belt holster to carry it around the shop with me, I use it that much. |
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sventinker
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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the use of anti seize changes torque specs be careful you can easily over tighten a bolt when used I prefer to chase the threads wit a tap and visually inspect or replace the bolts. Once torqued water shouldn't be reaching the threads to cause a problem
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j.pickens
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| the use of anti seize changes torque specs |
Source for this info, please?
I've been using the copper based anti-seize for thirty years, never a problem, quite the opposite.
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ToolBox
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| j.pickens wrote: |
| sventinker wrote: |
| the use of anti seize changes torque specs |
Source for this info, please?
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| Antiseize lubricants can reduce torque required by approximately 20%. |
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j.pickens
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| ToolBox wrote: |
| j.pickens wrote: |
| sventinker wrote: |
| the use of anti seize changes torque specs |
Source for this info, please?
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| MDMetrics wrote: |
| Antiseize lubricants can reduce torque required by approximately 20%. |
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Well, I guess I've been "overtorquing" all this time.
I plan to continue to do so.
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campingbox
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| j.pickens wrote: |
| ToolBox wrote: |
| j.pickens wrote: |
| sventinker wrote: |
| the use of anti seize changes torque specs |
Source for this info, please?
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| MDMetrics wrote: |
| Antiseize lubricants can reduce torque required by approximately 20%. |
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Well, I guess I've been "overtorquing" all this time.
I plan to continue to do so. |
83% or statistics are made up. |
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sventinker
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that is some funny sh*t
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iamdonquixote
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:15 am Post subject: |
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anybody have a source for the proper grade bolts?
I got black ones from the store but they were 8.8 rated. The Kamax bolts are 10. Next grade is a 10.9 I think. I ordered bolts from Wolfsburg West thinking they would be the right grade but they gave me silver 8.8 bolts.
My Kamax bolts were a little to worked over to reuse. |
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McMaster Carr? Fastenal?
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