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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject: Differences in dash... Emergency dash light discussion Reply with quote

I searched....and found nothing that helps me. What I'm looking for, is some pics of a 63' dash. Eric (Long-roofs) explained it to me...but I forgot already. What years used the red light to the left of the speedo pod? I've seen some with the light, and some without. I was checking out my 67' Kombi pics, and it didn't have the light there either. Anybody have any pics of their dashes in a 63' Kombi (not sure if other models would differ). My bus has the dash hacked out of it...but I bought one from Adam... will replace this winter. Thanks!!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You really need to figure out at least the month your bus was made and perhaps even which week.
1963 was a transition year for the E-flasher system.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a 3/63 Bus...on the 13th. Not sure if that helps....
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eric & Barb are probably right on the transition thing for the e-flasher
on '63 model year buses. The owners manual for my '63 15 window (Feb '63) shows a photo of the dash
with the E-flasher installed on the right hand side of the dash
almost under the radio blank off plate.
However most '63's I've seen have the E-flasher switch
on the left side of the pod. Theres usualy a little red light just above it. Thats how mine is
set up. Almost all I've seen are that way, so I'm assuming thats how it came from the factory. By the way my M-code plate has a date of
31 Jan 63 (start date I guess) the birth certificate says the roll out date
was 6 Feb 63. The VIN is 1 062 827


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 3/63 Bus would have the light on the left side of the dash.

The light is above the wiper switch.
The emergency light switch is the switch all the way to the right side, closest to the radio area.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Mike wrote:
The owners manual for my '63 15 window (Feb '63) shows a photo of the dash with the E-flasher installed on the right hand side of the dash almost under the radio blank off plate.

Here's the 2/63 manual, what page has the light on the right?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/feb63bus.php
This manual shows no light at all from what I see on page 6
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/feb63bus/page6.jpg

Mr Mike wrote:
However most '63's I've seen have the E-flasher switch on the left side of the pod. Theres usualy a little red light just above it. Thats how mine is set up.

If your emergency light switch is on the left, someone moved it.

Eric & Barb are correct that 63 was a transition year. Early 63s have the emergency light system but no light.

My ex-'63 Standard was like that. Built 9/62.
Here's the dash after some extra holes were filled, back to the correct stock layout
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

I'm not sure when the light was added but I believe it was in late 1962.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

This is a dash in an April 1961 bus.

The clock is standard on deluxes. It is an extremely uncommon option for non deluxes, I have seen one (1) non deluxe with a factory clock hole. In the turkis bus I think it was installed back in the day as the clock's date code was very close to the built date on the bus, but it was not a factory install.

Notice that the speedo pod has pointy corners.
This was used through 1961, and I think for the 1962 model year (or there about) and later buses they used the dash with the speedo pod as shown in the first pic, with more rounded edges.

Through March 1961 there was a thin lipped parcel tray, the turkis bus has a fat lipped parcel tray. The pod tray notch is shaped different for thin lip vs thick lip:
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Dashes were lower body color through 1961 1962 and later they were upper body colour. The turkis dash bus is turkis/blue white. the same colour bus as a 1962 model would have a blue white dash

Gas guages were standard equipment on ambulances and from 1962 model year on.

the 67 bus have a bigger radio hole (this change may be very slightly into the 67 model year, so perhaps the first few hundred '67 models have the earlier radio hole.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the info. So, my bus was a March bus, so that's considered early? And if it's early...it should have the emergency light system, but no light? Whew....the changes they made at the factory!! I couldn't even imagine the workers on the production line back then..."Now we're gonna do what????" Thanks!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, the light was added in late 1962
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

motofly196 wrote:
Whew....the changes they made at the factory!! I couldn't even imagine the workers on the production line back then..."Now we're gonna do what????" Thanks!

Scott

Yes, they made changes like that in all areas of the buses at frequent and random times. It was constantly changing.
This is why I think the model year concept is overrated.

Everett nailed the Emergency light introduction.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like I could have the light or not...and the average person wouldn't know the difference. The dash I'm getting from Adam already has the hole for the light...Score! One less thing to weld up!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Everett, with regard to my comment on the switch in the manual,
I was only refering to the switch itself not the red light which isn't shown.
The E-switch identified as number 10 wouldn't have space for a light
in the location shown. I'm thinking that might have been an earlier
version. Moving it to the left of the pod allows space for the little red flasher light to be installed in the dash above the switch giving a visual indication to the driver the 4-ways are working.

Later I guess they came out with the combined switch with the light mounted in the knob. Like on the 66's

But no kidding, Everett, I've seen several '63's rigged like mine with the
4-ways plus the little red light on the left of the pod and the head lights and wiper switch on the right of it. It looked "factory" to me so I
just assumed it was. Is your bus set up differently?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

motofly196 wrote:
Thanks for all the info. So, my bus was a March bus, so that's considered early?


Since 1955 the next model year of VWs started to be produced in early Aug. Thusly 1963 model year began in early Aug 1962, and ended in early Aug 1963.

You can go out right now and test drive a 2010 model automobile at virtually any new car dealer even though it is early Sept 2009.

So technically your VW being made in March was the seventh month of production for that model year. So it is not considered an early 1963 model year bus.

Interesting, our 1963 SC has a 15 DEC 62 build date, and has no E-flasher dash light. It must have just slid under the wire for that one.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Mike wrote:
Everett, I've seen several '63's rigged like mine with the
4-ways plus the little red light on the left of the pod and the head lights and wiper switch on the right of it. It looked "factory" to me so I
just assumed it was. Is your bus set up differently?

Factory is the wiper switch on the left, as seen in the manual above. Or check every other Bus manual on the site. Smile

If you've seen Buses that are different, someone moved the switches around. I would guess the wiring would reach? I've never tried it.

I've never owned a Bus where the wiper switch was not to the left of the pod.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eric&Barb wrote:
motofly196 wrote:
Thanks for all the info. So, my bus was a March bus, so that's considered early?


Since 1955 the next model year of VWs started to be produced in early Aug. Thusly 1963 model year began in early Aug 1962, and ended in early Aug 1963.

You can go out right now and test drive a 2010 model automobile at virtually any new car dealer even though it is early Sept 2009.


Although the model year start was standardised at beginning of Aug at some point in the 60s, I am not sure that it was in 1955. In fact, PR says otherwise.
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