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sinclair Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:36 am Post subject: 51 rag project dash query? |
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Hi. I'm new to the early stuff but shouldn't my dash speedo have an ignition switch in it? I have a switch on each side but no hole for an ignition key? an the reverse is a fuse mount. Any ideas?
Seems to be a steering lock though?
Cheers.
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9385 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:57 am Post subject: |
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That is bizarre. Never seen a VW pod like that. It should have an ignition switch. VW piggy backed a fuse on the pod in '51 or '52, but it was not like that.
Are the bits of wire still present there cloth or PVC? Is there a date and or part number on the speedo? The speedo style is the '51 and earlier face and housing.
Perhaps that is from a Porsche??? _________________ John Henry
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VWwerks Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 207 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:30 am Post subject: |
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What is the logo to the right of the "fuse"?? I don't think its Porsche. _________________ www.VWwerks.com |
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sinclair Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: |
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[email protected] wrote: |
What is the logo to the right of the "fuse"?? I don't think its Porsche. |
No it's a VW logo. and on the left a K in a circle |
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eurodub Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:59 am Post subject: |
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is a KL in a circle
i've seen that logo on various fuse box covers or other electrical bakelite equipment (ex. wire cover for oval ignition locks) so maybe is the logo of a german manufacturer _________________ 1960 1200 model 117 deluxe ragtop
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sinclair Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2004 Posts: 402 Location: New Forest UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:00 am Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
That is bizarre. Never seen a VW pod like that. It should have an ignition switch. VW piggy backed a fuse on the pod in '51 or '52, but it was not like that.
Are the bits of wire still present there cloth or PVC? Is there a date and or part number on the speedo? The speedo style is the '51 and earlier face and housing.
Perhaps that is from a Porsche??? |
Some cloth wiring. speedo is etched but difficult to read. maybe 56 001 2
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Brezelwerks Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Its not Porsche. |
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sinclair Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:03 am Post subject: |
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eurodub wrote: |
is a KL in a circle
i've seen that logo on various fuse box covers or other electrical bakelite equipment (ex. wire cover for oval ignition locks) so maybe is the logo of a german manufacturer |
Could be a K over an L |
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johnshenry Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Find the date code on the speedo. It can get hidden by rust/patina etc. Use a magnifying glass. Also, original VW pods had L-143 numbers I believe? Jim? _________________ John Henry
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VWwerks Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:54 am Post subject: |
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The K in a circle is the company stamp that made the pod, they did make VW pods. Is there a logo to the right of the fuse, under or close to that terminal with the cut off wires? You might have to rub some dust off it.
_________________ www.VWwerks.com |
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virtanen Samba Member
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VWwerks Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Kostal made them, they are still in business today as a matter of fact. That "KL" is the logo to the left, I really want to know if there is a logo to the right of that fuse??? Where the VW logo would usually be.... _________________ www.VWwerks.com |
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sinclair Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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[email protected] wrote: |
The K in a circle is the company stamp that made the pod, they did make VW pods. Is there a logo to the right of the fuse, under or close to that terminal with the cut off wires? You might have to rub some dust off it.
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It's a VW roundal...
The fuse mount looks like it's part of a blanking plate for the dash. there may have been a hole bot the plate has a plug which fills it. so I guess the ignition was mounted on the column? |
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sinclair Samba Member
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johnshenry Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Interesting. Makes sense. _________________ John Henry
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VWwerks Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Is there a VW logo on the pod? _________________ www.VWwerks.com |
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sinclair Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2004 Posts: 402 Location: New Forest UK
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 12:57 am Post subject: Re: 51 rag project dash query? |
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Hi.
10 years later I have the birth certificate.... It has M code 003. which seems to be unknown. Maybe its blanked ignition? |
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Martin Southwell Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 6:55 am Post subject: |
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As you previously found out, the speedo panel without the usual ignition barrel position, goes with the column mounted ignition switch, and these were fitted to cars supplied to the British Army, of which your car was one.
I also have a 51 British Army supplied car, and here are a couple of pictures to show what they originally looked like. Note the typed bits of paper showing what the switches did! There are a couple of holes drilled in the front of the panel, where somebody had mounted an ashtray, as the standard model lacked such luxuries! Your car is actually a 1952 model, as is the other known car in the UK, but the fitments were the same. I hope that you are enjoying having the car back.
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sinclair Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 7:16 am Post subject: Re: 51 rag project dash query? |
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Thanks Martin.
Yes I didn’t have the birth certificate 10 years ago 😄 great to have it back, does yours have a 003 M code too?
Also it has the paint code down as L 13. Middle green. Which is wrong. I remember taking it back to its original military green. |
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Martin Southwell Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2010 Posts: 1032 Location: Bath, England
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: 51 rag project dash query? |
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If you look above at the information received 40 year ago from VW, (Yes, I've had the car that long!) it was provided in a different format to today.
You'll note that it says, Mehrausstattung 3 (More equipment 3) where I assume the M in M Codes comes from, and purely states 3, which I again assume is the same as your 003. They were therefore fitted with the same optional equipment, which again I assume is the column switch arrangement.
The truth is that I didn't know the history of my car, until Geoff bought yours and started to do some research, and then it became clear. For 30+ years, nobody had been able to tell me what 151 Vehicle-Coy, Lipstadt meant. This means: 151 Vehicle Company, the vehicle procurement division of the British Army, their German base at the time being in Lipstadt. https://www.army.mod.uk/who-we-are/corps-regiments-and-units/royal-logistic-corps/151-regiment-rlc/
Geoff went to have a look at the buildings 151 Company used a couple of years ago, on the way back from the meeting at Hessisch Oldendorf, and found them to be much the same today, as seen in period photos, although now used for housing asylum seekers.
Luckily, my car still has large areas of original paint, a lovely dark green, and I have never looked into what the colour was, but the quoted L13 - Middle Green looks to be correct. As you don't live that far away, you're welcome to come and have a look, and confirm this if you wish.
http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?color=MediumGreen&tditzler=zvwL13&rows=50 |
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