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mskeen Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:18 pm Post subject: Factory/Dealer Rebuilt Engine number question ... |
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I have a factory/dealer rebuilt engine case #: H084000X. Is this a 1500sp? According to the chart in the archives I'm missing a digit somewhere or does the X stand for the last digit? It's hard to see in the pictures but the symbol on the left is a 'VW' with two arrows circling, signifying it was rebuilt.
Here's a picture:
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Okie Adam Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, not an answer but
What is up with the engines of this time period. My 66 has a factory rebuilt engine the original owner said the first one went out during warrenty. Is this more common than I think? _________________ Oil Capital Air Cooled
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jerry.t Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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not sure if this helps anyone of you, but this is a thread just down the list.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8...highlight= _________________ 1957 euro oval
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FrenchBus Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
"H" is a correct letter identification for 1500cc
The "vw" with the 2 arrow and the "X" at the end=engine was "rebuilt" from VW
No problemo _________________ Olé
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mskeen Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2004 Posts: 490 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Okay, so anything that starts with an 'H' is a 1500sp. According to this:
http://type2.com/bartnik/enginecodes.htm
'H' cases are from 1965 model years and 'H0' are from 66-67 model years. So my engine could be the original engine case but rebuilt by VW? I'm waiting on a birth certificate that would answer the originality question.
Does this mean the archive is incorrect since it shows the 'H0' for the '66-'67 engines? _________________ "Gotta love the drops!" |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:38 am Post subject: |
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mskeen wrote: |
Okay, so anything that starts with an 'H' is a 1500sp. |
well it was when new, but could well have been changed to a 1600, no machining required.
I like the dealer rebuildt stamp ... pretty snazzy... Iit's on one of my favorite carburettors. _________________ The Obsolete Air-Cooled Documentation Project http://oacdp.org/ |
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Factory/Dealer Rebuilt Engine number question ... |
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mskeen wrote: |
I have a factory/dealer rebuilt engine case #: H084000X. Is this a 1500sp? According to the chart in the archives I'm missing a digit somewhere or does the X stand for the last digit? It's hard to see in the pictures but the symbol on the left is a 'VW' with two arrows circling, signifying it was rebuilt. |
In my opinion, you have a factory rebuilt engine (including a replaced case) where they restamped the engine # at the time of installation.
I would be interested to find out if that is your correct original engine #.
Yes, the X and the symbol indicate a factory rebuild. The X does not replace any digits.
The archives chart may have an incorrect prefix for that year, I will doublecheck them.
Your engine # would appear to indicate a December, 1965 (1966 model year) engine.
Yes, it should be a 1500 sp. _________________ How to Post Photos
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splitpile Samba's Worst Speller
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Here's a pic of the tag put on a factory rebuilt engine that came out of a 2 owner 66 Sundial. It also had a tag from VW Germany on the shroud with the same number stamped on it
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Okie Adam Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:43 am Post subject: |
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I went to take a photo of my stamping and realized I have no numbers. Just the H the the VW sign with the arrows. This isnt some back alley no numbers bus. I am the second owner and the first owner only took it to VW dealerships for repair before parking it and it sitting for 13 years before I got it. If I remember right she told me the engine crapped out with less than 1k on the odometer so they were very likely still in Germany. Any ideas? Its a Sept. '65 model year '66 21.
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FrenchBus Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:02 am Post subject: |
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Just one precision:
Early 1500(M215/M216) didn't have letter identification,just a number
When the 1500 became standard,"H" appears i think.
My 64 is equipped with an early 1500,factory rebuilt,no letter(H),symbol+X,he had the M216!
The engine is particular,oil press is on the top of the case,verticaly,not horizontaly!Have you ever see that?
I post pics soon
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mskeen Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:11 am Post subject: |
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one percenter wrote: |
I went to take a photo of my stamping and realized I have no numbers. Just the H the the VW sign with the arrows. This isnt some back alley no numbers bus. I am the second owner and the first owner only took it to VW dealerships for repair before parking it and it sitting for 13 years before I got it. If I remember right she told me the engine crapped out with less than 1k on the odometer so they were very likely still in Germany. Any ideas? Its a Sept. '65 model year '66 21.
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Could it have had a tag on it like Ronnie's above? It might have been removed for whatever reason? Just a thought. _________________ "Gotta love the drops!" |
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splitpile Samba's Worst Speller
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:21 am Post subject: |
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FrenchBus wrote: |
Just one precision:
Early 1500(M215/M216) didn't have letter identification,just a number
When the 1500 became standard,"H" appears i think.
My 64 is equipped with an early 1500,factory rebuilt,no letter(H),symbol+X,he had the M216!
The engine is particular,oil press is on the top of the case,verticaly,not horizontaly!Have you ever see that?
I post pics soon
Nico |
type 3 case _________________ Stocking distributor of "The Funky Green Panels"
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FrenchBus Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:25 am Post subject: |
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splitpile wrote: |
FrenchBus wrote: |
Just one precision:
Early 1500(M215/M216) didn't have letter identification,just a number
When the 1500 became standard,"H" appears i think.
My 64 is equipped with an early 1500,factory rebuilt,no letter(H),symbol+X,he had the M216!
The engine is particular,oil press is on the top of the case,verticaly,not horizontaly!Have you ever see that?
I post pics soon
Nico |
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Kommercial Samba Moderator
Joined: December 28, 2000 Posts: 1154 Location: San Tan Valley, Arizona
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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went to take a photo of my stamping and realized I have no numbers. Just the H the the VW sign with the arrows. This isnt some back alley no numbers bus. I am the second owner and the first owner only took it to VW dealerships for repair before parking it and it sitting for 13 years before I got it. If I remember right she told me the engine crapped out with less than 1k on the odometer so they were very likely still in Germany. Any ideas? Its a Sept. '65 model year '66 21.
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I had the same thing exactly, except the letter was a B instead with nothing else but the recycle symbol.
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FlatFourFanatic Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Right,Yes the H did come in when the 1500 motor became standard on buses,and was on all Bug 1500s.
When some of you have no numbers,just the letter,I suspect its due to the engines sometimes being sold by dealers,with the intention on VWs part to be that the vehicles OG no is stamped into the blank space.
The guy with the oil switch on top of the case,never seen that.
The motors with a tag on are not VW rebuilt units,they are VW engines rebuilt in the aftermarket.V common in the UK. _________________ He who dies with the most toys wins.
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Just us buses Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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I agree. H means 1500 for the 5 or 6 years they were used. beetles and buses both. B is a "71 1600 SP. H and no numbers - probably a replacement motor that the dealer didn't stamp. I once owned and threw away a G case. Horrible water damage. I think it was an optional 1500 from '64 or '65 bus. Never sen that oil pres. sender on top that i know, seen some wierd 1500's. Industrial app. maybe? _________________ It doesn't matter where you start, it all comes together; it all falls apart. |
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mskeen Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Just got my birth certificate today. The engine is listed as a 1500, number 0767277. The bus was built 17 Nov 64 so it is a '65 (already knew this).
Looking at the archives these numbers don't match what is listed (engines started at H0 071 688). Okay so VW left the H off the BC but the rest doesn't line up. Using the archive this would be an engine from a '66 model made in Nov '65. Anyone got any ideas? EB? _________________ "Gotta love the drops!" |
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rezidu Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:56 am Post subject: |
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I need to revive this thread for a few. I have a motor with only the recycle symbol and a D. No numbers. There is also a WE stamped into the case right below the D. Any ideas? |
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EverettB Administrator
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rezidu Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Thank you kind Sir. |
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