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Helfen
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 Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:07 pm Post subject: Skirts |
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| Were FACTORY fender skirts ever a option?? I'm not talking about dealer installed aftermarket. |
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bill may
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drscope
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Skirts |
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| Helfen wrote: |
| dealer installed aftermarket. |
Dealer installed aftermarket stuff was never a factory option. It was a dealer option. And not all dealers would do that.
After all, these were NON-factory parts being installed by dealer mechanics.
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| Weren't some accessories such as rosenthal bud vases sold through dealers? |
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drscope
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| Weren't some accessories such as rosenthal bud vases sold through dealers? |
Lots of things were sold through dealers. But you need to understand, the dealer is NOT associated with VW. The dealer is a private business who just happens to sell the cars which VW makes.
As a factory authorized dealer, they had to follow certain guide lines on how they did things. But in some areas they were free to do what they wanted.
They had to offer dealer installed factory options such as radios in order to be a factory authorized dealer.
But they could also sell after market accessories as well. Selling accessories was just an added business line.
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That even includes the "VW authorized accessories". All dealer sold and dealer installed.
VW was very smart to keep the basic build "options" simple to streamline and ease production.
Body colors, Body configutation, Interior colors/materials..... Thats about it.
Reference to accessories VW "authorized".
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/accessories.php
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Helfen
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Thanks for the reply Bill, I didn't think they did but wanted to make sure. I know when I worked for a dealer we had three types of accessories those were factory in factory boxes , factory authorized, and just aftermarket that VOA didn't like.
Dealers were independent, but they also acted as a representative of VOA in cases of paint issues or damage in delivery, and warranty issues after delivery.
The reason I asked the question was I had never seen any VW come in with skirts, and was wondering how to approach such a car in points judging in a stock is stock class. Now I know. Funny, in the middle sixties to the mid seventies a VW with skirts would be just plain unthinkable to most VW people anyway.
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79SuperVert
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So in your "stock is stock" class do you deduct points for non-stock accessories, do you ignore them, or do you give them points for overall presentation / display?
As long as they are accessories and not "modifications" I assume you let them stay in the stock class. My club generally allows no more than 2 mods for it to stay in the stock class.
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bill may
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Thanks for the reply Bill, I didn't think they did but wanted to make sure. I know when I worked for a dealer we had three types of accessories those were factory in factory boxes , factory authorized, and just aftermarket that VOA didn't like.
Dealers were independent, but they also acted as a representative of VOA in cases of paint issues or damage in delivery, and warranty issues after delivery.
The reason I asked the question was I had never seen any VW come in with skirts, and was wondering how to approach such a car in points judging in a stock is stock class. Now I know. Funny, in the middle sixties to the mid seventies a VW with skirts would be just plain unthinkable to most VW people anyway.
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a good example of stuff/add ons that vw did not like was most of the EMPI stuff made and sold by a vw dealership in riverside ,california. they even threatened to pull the franchise from Econo Motors that was held by Joe Vittone (EMPI)
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Funny, in the middle sixties to the mid seventies a VW with skirts would be just plain unthinkable to most VW people anyway.
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Nothing has changed...
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Funny, in the middle sixties to the mid seventies a VW with skirts would be just plain unthinkable to most VW people anyway.
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In the 60's, "VW" people were not old-car enthusiasts, they were people who needed a cheap second car or a cheap car, period. I think the skirts were just a "fun" accessory to add to a VW, like the fake Rolls Royce trunk lid, the curb feelers, the eyebrow lids or the windshield visor. I don't think anyone took this stuff seriously on Beetles back then. They were cheap little ugly cars.
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| Helfen wrote: |
Funny, in the middle sixties to the mid seventies a VW with skirts would be just plain unthinkable to most VW people anyway.
Don |
In the 60's, "VW" people were not old-car enthusiasts, they were people who needed a cheap second car or a cheap car, period. I think the skirts were just a "fun" accessory to add to a VW, like the fake Rolls Royce trunk lid, the curb feelers, the eyebrow lids or the windshield visor. I don't think anyone took this stuff seriously on Beetles back then. They were cheap little ugly cars. |
They were also a no-frills car, and proudly so. Consider these ads:
EMPI, of course, had other plans...
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Helfen
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| Helfen wrote: |
Funny, in the middle sixties to the mid seventies a VW with skirts would be just plain unthinkable to most VW people anyway.
Don |
In the 60's, "VW" people were not old-car enthusiasts, they were people who needed a cheap second car or a cheap car, period. I think the skirts were just a "fun" accessory to add to a VW, like the fake Rolls Royce trunk lid, the curb feelers, the eyebrow lids or the windshield visor. I don't think anyone took this stuff seriously on Beetles back then. They were cheap little ugly cars. |
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Having been there in the sixties there were old VW car enthusiast, pure stock people and the modified crowd. There were many people who raced the cars. I was fortunate that I was able to return my 65 standard back to stock today, but in it's day it put many V-8's on the trailer, in fact one of my best friends go so tired of being beat ended up selling his 56 Chevy.
So my recollection back then was preservationist, stock, modified street/strip, surf cars and baja bugs & dune buggy's. I had my feet in all of those types.
The tail draggers, flame thrower, low rider, skirted up cars were not VW's at that time or if there were we didn't see them. Those cars were mid-40's to early 50's Chevys and later into the sixties the big cars like Impalas. These guys got into VW's much later.
In the 60's & 70's at VW car shows modified cars were so prevalent that the purest people finally formed VVCA (1976) out of desperation, however you would never now it today by looking at members cars. There IS NO club for the purest today.
Also interesting that most people I knew never considered VW's cheap or chintzy cars and the more we played and took them apart this fact became self evident. They may have been low priced, but they were affordable quality if they were cheap chintzy cars we all wouldn't be having this conversation today.
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Helfen
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[quote="bill may"] joined Vintage VW Club of America in nov 1976.... i recently renewed my vvwca membership after a 5 or so year absence.
Would it be too prying to ask why?
I too joined in 1976, I was # 85. I left in the early 80's ( restoring houses, other types of cars, surfing and making a living ) and decided to re-join in the early 2000's only to find the clubs mission statement had been violated and some chapters only belonging because of cheap insurance for show events. Turned out my local chapter had about 75% customs. I mean the club was started to get away from customs, and from people at shows saying "Oh another purest"
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i missed getting the newsletter. for a few years i was broke when dues came up. you were there in 76 when poll on weather oval windows should be in VVWCA... this is when change to rules was made to 25 years to be "vintage" i had a oct52 zwitter (qualified) but my 57 did not qualify.my oval had to wait.
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| I think if an accessory was purchased and installed around the model year of the vw it only adds to the value and the stockness. My 63 has most of the accessories on that EMPI ad. |
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I wasn't part of the "car" crowd in the '60's so I confess I don't know what VW enthusiasts were doing then and I defer to those of you who were in the hobby back then.
But as a kid what I saw on the streets was Beetles everywhere and no one gave them a second thought. They numbered in the millions and most of them were not show cars. If someone wanted to dress their bug up it could be cute but it was still dressing up a cheap car when there were Continentals, Caddys, Mercedes, Citroens, Rolls Royces and a ton of other big fancy cars on the streets that didn't need dressing up. And luxury cars in those days really screamed luxury, unlike today when a Mercedes and a Toyota are almost the same shape and size.
Even today at shows the stories I get from folks who are not Beetle enthusiasts are predominantly how in the 60's and 70's they ran their Beetles until they rusted and fell apart and then bought another one for $200. Putting skirts on that kind of a car back then was more irony than dress-up. It's like putting skirts on a Hyundai Excel today.
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